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I promised I wouldnt come back without a great combo

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Vesuvan ShapeshifterEnlarge

Vesuvan Shapeshifter

{3}{U}{U}

Creature — Shapeshifter

Time Spiral

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As this creature enters or is turned face up, you may choose another creature on the battlefield. If you do, until this creature is turned face down, it becomes a copy of that creature, except it has "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may turn this creature face down." Morph {1}{U}

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Vesuvan Doppelganger

{3}{U}{U}

Creature — Shapeshifter

Revised Edition

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You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it doesn't copy that creature's color and it has "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have this creature become a copy of target creature, except it doesn't copy that creature's color and it has this ability."

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Isochron Scepter

{2}

Artifact

Mirrodin

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Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile an instant card with mana value 2 or less from your hand. {2}, {T}: You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

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Mirror Golem

{6}

Artifact Creature — Golem

Mirrodin

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Imprint — When this creature enters, you may exile target card from a graveyard. This creature has protection from each of the exiled card's card types. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, instant, kindred, land, planeswalker, and sorcery are card types.)

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Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 11:53 am

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Woooooooo I have a good enough combo to come back! :3

So anyways, this combo is used to get Searing winds, or any Instant, on Isochron Scepter.

So First, have Mirror Golem, Isochron Scepter and March of the Machines out (or anything to make noncreature artifacts into artifact creatures) and have the instant you want to imprint in your graveyard

Well now, play Vesuvan ____________(dont morph it if your using the Shapeshifter) and copy Mirror Golem, this means you copy his ETB effect, so imprint Searing Winds. Now, at the beginning of next turn, use your Vesuvan whatever-the-fuck to copy the Iso scepter, which is now an Artifact creature thanks to the march, or karn, or whatever

And there you go! Isochrons ability says: You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost

It mentions nothing about it costing cmc 2 or less, only its imprint ability says that, but Searing Winds is still Imprinted on to it, that doesnt leave with the mirror golem.

So there you have it! Incidentally, I THINK this also works with non-instant but Im not sure, I see no reason why It wouldn\'t, since the second ability does not specify copying instants.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 12:48pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

No offense, but it's just as satisfying to open an unlimited mana loop, and then cast Searing Winds, alongside reverberate, fork or something of the like.

I *do* like the idea of usurping the Isochron scepter's limitations, but whatever you do to get there has to be less work than any other options. 

Good idea - you just need to find a better use for it


[Edited by Academic on 1/Feb/13 at 12:49PM]
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 1:38pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Its not just limited to Searing wind though, I just used it as an example. You could use Time stretch or something if you so desired (I believe at least, I see no reason why not)
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 1:49pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I dig. 

I'd do the math on the rules, but I'm in class, ATM... Give me a few hours, and I can give you better criticisms than 'there are easier ways to do that'.


[Edited by Academic on 1/Feb/13 at 1:51PM]
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 6:30pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Chiefbiterchest, I'm impressed. A combo as of 2005, good find anyway and first time posted on this site...

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/print.php?Article=9548

http://forums.starcitygames.com/archive/index.php/t-28600.html

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=110724

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=160536

But, under current rules I'm not sure whether it works or not. Please take a look at source http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=41780.0 as of 2011 where a DCI L2 judge answers to similar problem/question:

"The activated ability refers specifically to the card exiled with the triggered ability. It cannot do anything with a card exiled by any other ability, even if it was an ability of the same object. And when the shapeshifter stops copying the scepter, it no longer has the ability. If it again copies that same scepter later, the abilities it gets from copying are entirely new abilities. For a copy of isochron scepter to work, it must enter the battlefield as a copy of it, and the copy effect cannot end at any time. Once the copy effect ends, the ability will no longer work."
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 6:43pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Observe how Captain Wanker here calls you a biter, but couches it in as much flowery language as he could.

What a pretentious dick. Dude couldn't even have left it at 'it doesn't work, here's what a judge had to say' :D

The wanker, and the link to the judge's rulings are right, though. This combo is unworkable.

Go for elegance, next time. The fewer steps you need to get to your result, the better. And while if this one had worked, it would have had a cool outcome - odds are if you ever tried to use it in-game, you'd end up losing first, just because the other player will have something fast that they can pull off.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 6:48pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

I'm impressed how one biter defeats another biter...good job
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 6:52pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

So, wait, you're impressed that you defeated Chiefsizzlechest?

....What? What does that even mean? :D

I don't think the syntax breaks down the way you think it does, amateur.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 6:54pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Welcome back straw man,,,
ouhhhaaaooo,  I think I go to bed, to much Academic waste of time here now...
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 7:03pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Yeah, that's not a straw man.

That's not even close to a straw man.

See, a straw man is when a person is mischaracterized overtly. And I offer up the sheer volume of your combo contributions as proof that you're a biter, son. And casual Google can verify my claims.

(And what's left is some pretty mediocre original content).

I, too have combos that have appeared on other sites. But then again, whenever it's been brought to my attention I've owned up.

Which, seeing how a biter is someone who claims original content, and then doesn't own up to their error...

Well, you're kind of fucking dumb for implying that.

But seriously, idiot, you were the one who successfully provided proof against Chiefsizzlechest, and then you've said, and I quote (verbatim), "I'm impressed how one biter defeats another biter."

I didn't defeat him.

Sooooo..... I guess you just kind of made an ass of yourself, there, champ. :)

Chief, try again. Work with simpler ideas, and make them your own. Welcome back - but make sure you bring the goods.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 7:14pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Can you guys fill me in on what this 'biter' term means exactly? It sounds like someone who copied an already-posted combo but what I'm a bit confused about is it's pronounced bite-er (someone who bites things) or if it's a different word entirely. Kay thanks. XD
Date Posted: Fri Feb/01/13 at 7:30pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

A biter is someone who either deliberately submits an idea someone else came up with, or someone who does so accidentally, but doesn't own up when confronted about it.

So... Knarf is kind of using it wrong, in two different ways. A while back, I'd submitted a Boros combo me and some friends at the game shop were talking about. I submitted the idea, but it turned out that it had been posted online two days before I'd submitted it. I've owned up - but because Knarf is a fucking idiot, he's been parroting the word 'biter' like it means something to him.

Here, Chief submitted a combo which had been posted before elsewhere - and before Chief had a chance to own up, Knarf acted like a cunt. So, by definition, Chief can't be a biter - he never claimed it was his own, nor someone else's. he didn't get a chance.

TL;DR version - a biter rips off content, without giving credit where it's due, either before they submit it, or after it's pointed out to them that they had made a mistake.

And Knarf is an idiot.
Date Posted: Sat Feb/02/13 at 5:25pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

I get the feeling you 2 dont like each other

It reminds me of the arguments between Narcinek and Turbine

Incidently, where did Turbine go? :c



Also I wasnt aware it had been found... I just checked the database on here for combos using Mirror Golem and Iso Scepter and didnt find this one, so I posted it O.o
Date Posted: Sat Feb/02/13 at 5:35pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Jesus, you're making me empathize with Turbine? :D
Date Posted: Sat Feb/02/13 at 5:55pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

He wasnt THAT bad lol

So yes