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Combo Name: i no die! Submitted By: hunter_raine
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Diplomatic Immunity
Enchant Creature 1U Mercadian Masques, Common

Platinum Angel
Artifact Creature - Angel 7 4/4 10th Edition, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $2.78
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 1:14 pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

self explanitory
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 3:19pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

There are ways around this, but it is about time someone else recognized the power of Diplomatic Immunity!
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 3:45pm

Manshoon
Posts: 23
Joined: 17-Mar-12

There are many ways around it. Any card that destroys all creatures, makes you sacrifice creatures, returns all creatures (or non land perms) to owner's hands, annihilator, etc. But at least you get to make someone waste a Wrath of God, or a Devastation Tide, or whatever to get ride of it.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 3:53pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

in correct, it reads cannot be the target of spells or abilities, will not die
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 7:21pm

Goomania
Posts: 62
Joined: 29-Jul-12

incorrect on your incorrect. these spells don not target the angel so would get rid of it
Date Posted: Thu Oct/18/12 at 7:25pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Diplomatic Immunity grants shroud. Not indestructiblity. Wrath of God and Diabolic Edict can send the angel to the graveyard.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 12:12am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Well, seeing how I'd posted this already in my 'Leave me alone mach 2' combo, I take full credit for both the Platinum Angel-Diplomatic Immunity synergy, and for bringing Diplomatic Immunity back to people's attention.

Raine -
1. Don't be a biter, dude. It's really lame. You even used the same shroud enchantment as I had - and Diplomatic Immunity is a bit too obscure to brush off as coincidence.
2. No, this combo isn't foolproof. Wrath of God, Patrician's Scorn, Austere Command, Paraselene, Day of Judgement/Damnation, hell, any 'destroy all (creatures/enchantments)' spell kills it. Is Platinum Angel-Diplomatic Immunity a good combination? Yes. That's why I had submitted them in my 'Leave Me Alone Mach 2' combo. But there was a reason I had included a bunch of other cards as well. Angel-Immunity needs them, or something like them, to offset boardwipe.
3. Instead of telling us what's what, honey, you might consider listening to what we're saying. You're sharing with an advanced player group here. We're fairly quick on the draw.
4. Your English isn't that great. If you don't mind my asking, are you ESL?
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 12:16am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Addendum - if you actually tried this combo on me, I'd force the game into a draw. Which is another weakness of Angel-Immunity. It doesn't say that I have to lose, or that you have to win - only that I can't win, and you can't lose. I can still take the victory away from you.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 4:15am

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

Shatter Storm? Tranquillity? Chainer's Editc? Gate Keeper of Malakir?  Damnation? Day of Judgement? Apocolypse? Elspeth Tirel? The list goes on. None of these target the angel. Yet, still it dies. I've said this before, no combo and I mean NO combo is unstoppable. The odds you run into a deck running any of those minus Elspeth are pretty low. I forgot Mizzium Mortars! Overload it for 3RRR and kill it that way. Damn...I play Izzet right now. How did I forget that?
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 11:07am

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

ok academic u wanna open a can of shit, ive been playing since 93, im from N.Y. born and bred Italian American, so if u wanna talk shit through a computer, that proves who u are. and secondly i found the diplomats going through my massive collection so bite me i dont need to steal card ideas from u. just cause i dont spend 24/7 playin the game anymore dont mean i dont know anything,


[Edited by hunter_raine on 19/Oct/12 at 11:08AM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 11:07am

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

and if i got this combo on u, the game would already be over.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 11:58am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I think everyone's being just a tad overcritical here...the combo says I no die...Implying that the player will not die...all in all not a bad combo at all...truth be told all he needs to do is hook an equip on it that makes it indestructible and it becomes fairly hard to deal with...(Assuming an EDH scenario of course)Everyone knows the only format Diplomatic immunity is legal in is legacy, meaning at this point we must assume it is a casual combo seeing as this is not gonna replace spring tide/stasis anytime soon, but irregardless the point is...well actually I forgot why I'm here...oh yeah...to tell you all something...

You wanna see a really bad combo? check this out....

http://www.mtgcombos.com/view.php?fid=2&tid=41828

Now that my friends is how you post a bad combo...

And on another note...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQHfoz9Be7U

Why so serious? :D
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 2:35pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

"ok academic u wanna open a can of shit"

Shut the fuck up, you impotent nerd dork. You're angry that you're both wrong, and impotent, and that's also lame.

I don't care about the size of your internet 'collection'. I'm the first person in the (what is it, seven year? eight?) history of this site to reference Diplomatic Immunity. Period. And I did it in a combo on this site, attached to Platinum Angel. Less than a day later, you've decided to submit exactly the same two cards I had. There is no coincidence here. You're a biter.

As for all of your bullshit 'oh I'm not an impotent nerd and I challenge you to a fight' bullshit, I'm a 4'11" Filipina girl (which makes you an asshole for calling out a fight with a girl), but I'd still break your entitled culturally-bound nerd dork jaw. I've had to deal with mouthy pricks telling me to back down from being right because of their size for years.

You want to spaz out because I'm right... too bad. This combo is mine. And you can fucking deal with it.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 2:39pm

maritlage
Posts: 26
Joined: 12-Nov-11

PERNICIOUS DEED!!! Your diplomatic immunity has been revoked.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 6:40pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

lemme tell u somthin punk, if i were in front of you right now, youd be kissin my ass to avoid the stompin youd be gettin, you have no idea who ur dealin with, talk shit, its not hard to track someone down
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 6:41pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

i said inetnse, i rarely do mtgo simply because i would rather have cardboard in hand


[Edited by hunter_raine on 19/Oct/12 at 6:41PM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 6:44pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

you know what ur a cunt for even startin shit with someone, so fuck u, u little piece of shit, kiss my ass and whatever else idc, u can think i stole ur fuckin combo all day, truth is, i barely come on this site cause everytime i post a combo, some bitch has gott talk shit on it, first turbine, i shuit him down and now wre ok, ill b damned if some skanks gonna get the best of me. Suck It!
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 6:46pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

fact of the matter is, my collection is so big, that i dont know every card, as i was sorting a new collection i bought, i stumbled across the diplomatics's, and said, hmm theyd go good w/ a platinum angel.  so believe what u want, my combos would crush you anyday, make you go crying to your daddy, if you know who your daddy is, that is.


[Edited by hunter_raine on 19/Oct/12 at 6:47PM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 6:49pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

WHO WAS EVEN PICKIN A FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE? I SAID U HIDE BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER, I DID NOT CALL U OUT RETARD
Date Posted: Fri Oct/19/12 at 9:35pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Wow... I usually stay Switzerland on these kinds of things, but hunter, shut up and go away. If you barely come to this site, make more habit to not come here. We don't need pushy, insecure jerks like you. This is the first time since I've been here where I've seen this kind of behavior. Grow the hell up, dude.

Sync, can we start a voteban? I vote for hunter_raine for being disruptive, crude, and general assholery.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/20/12 at 12:11am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I don't think a banning is in order...I think both parties need to grow up...You've both used language that is coarse and rude...and I don't pick sides...from where I'm standing neither one of you are in the right...You have both turned a card game into something more...oh no...wait you haven't...you've turned a discussion about a cardgame into an argument...a game! For christ's sake! A FRIGGING GAME! Who cares who posts what combo first...nobody here is always frigging original. (That's the whole reason people leave because the combo Nazis gotta shoot everything down.)

Now that that is outta the way...

I think you should both work it out via the way any website about a ccg designed for nerdy teenagers (Yes the core audience is teenagers...who are nerdy...if you argue that with me...go read a book on pop culture Neanderthal.) should be...Let them fight a duel via cockatrice's mtg program...If both wish to claim to be a better player...prove it...Initiate terms and conditions (I.E. EDH, highlander, pauper, ect...) And let us see a show of it...

"LADIES AND GENTS...BOYS AND GIRLS...LET US SEE WHO IS TRULY THE MASTER OF COMBOS...The hunter...or the academic..." The Jester announced to the audience. The audience cheers its approval...grinning his usual rictus grin the Jester cackles...

"So what'll be? Gonna keep littering the community with pointless insults...or are you two gonna give the people a show that doesn't make you both look like children who happened to hear daddy mouth off a few times after his third shot of whiskey?"


Well what say you planeswalkers? Sounds fair? Or are you just gonna throw insults at me like children? Cause Here's a message for you of such grand delusion.

TALK IS CHEAP, EITHER SHOW WHAT YA GOT, OR SHUT YOUR MOUTHS!

At any rate that's my two cents on this matter...If you don't like it...well that's your problem...I call it like I see it...And truth be told...

Life is far too short to spend it arguing with people over the material. Why not make a friend instead you guys? You both like mtg? You both like combos? Because if you both wanna talk originality I got news for you both...the first person to post Platinum Angel + Any enchant got you both beat to the punch years ago...

I'm not asking you to compromise your beliefs or anything...I'm just asking you too do one simple thing...

Stop the madness...please? There's no reason we can't get along here...we all came here cause we like mtg and mtg combos. We are a community...not a bunch of hate filled children...cause if that's all we are...Sync (The Site Creator) you may as well shut down the website for good...you clearly wanted us to be a community...and I fear we have failed at that...

If you throw an insult at me don't think I'll be the same as everyone else here...I'm not gonna let you bother me with that...I'll simply say I love you too and post a picture of a My Little Pony character smiling at you...and that is because I believe in one moral belief...

Treat others as you wish to be treated...It's called karma kids...and if you don't have anything nice to say...why say it at all?
Date Posted: Sat Oct/20/12 at 4:28am

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

o, i believe in karma and this would not have gone on had academic not gone tom clancey on me and got all rude and offensive like a man, had i known it was a little kid i wouldve bit my tounge, and went on, but fact of the matter is, i am a senior player of this game,  and i dont need anyone commenting on my posts like they are king, er, queen crap of the MTG: masters, im here to post combos i find, not steal ones from others, u dont like what i post big deal, grow up, and get over it. when someone alters a combo i post, i say  thanks, thats actually easier that the way i thought of it, sometimes... if u have a problem with a post, combo, or whatever i post, either deal with it, or report me, idc either way.  im just trying to spread my knowledge to younger ppl.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/20/12 at 2:37pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

:D :D :D

Raine - Nothing like a massive spazfest filled with invective ad hominem to prove you haven't done exactly as I've said. Because you have done exactly as I've said. Rageface and poor grasp of English doesn't change any of that.

Jester - I'm sorry, but I'm not your therapist. Feel free to post cartoon pony pictures - one of my best friend's friends is working on MLP right now as an in-betweener, and I think the show itself is great.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/20/12 at 5:42pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

why are you still keeping shit going, and besides, i will do what i want, not what you say.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/20/12 at 10:26pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Hey, Academic! You totally said "rapist" and "weener" in your post.
(spelling close enough to warrant laughter!) Gwahahahahahahahahaha!
Date Posted: Sun Oct/21/12 at 10:42am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Yeah, how dare I keep pointing out that you're in the wrong? You've already apologized.

Wait, no - what you've done is go on a massive multipost tirade where you've threatened a woman with physical violence instead of being a man, and owning up to your actions.

But you know what? I forgive you. It's pretty clear you don't have it in you to be better than this.

Boyachi - rape humor isn't funny, bro. But wieners are! Especially cocktail weenies. It's like the were designed to make fun of dudes with tiny junk.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/21/12 at 11:35am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I'm gonna have to argue in favor the rape being funny...cause In one episode of family guy...a clown rapes a woman....and everytime she crossed her legs...it went... HONK!

It was funny...
Date Posted: Sun Oct/21/12 at 7:25pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Well, from what I can see, the poster of this combo has a fundamentally flawed understanding of linguistics (no capitalization), and of spelling (explanitory).

Perhaps the OP is Russian, and he is learning his first tidbits of English. But lo and behold, he has a tattoo, one that says "Mother/Father". Therefore, he was likely born in the United States.

On the topic of the combo, I see Platinum Angel and a rather effective sort of protection for it. Not bad. I think that I would have gone as far as to consider it "mediocre". However, looking through the comments, I notice that Academic posted this combo recently, and you were merely copying it. This is deplorable and abhorrent.

I see that you edited one of your posts. If you understand the purpose of the edit button, then why did you feel the need to post 5 times?
Date Posted: Sun Oct/21/12 at 9:12pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

I can answer this for him in his own words:
"and i will post multiple times, if its making someone mad, good,"

It has been made clear that he does not understand "copy pasta" or "repost" as he believes that every combo that is posted is technically plagarism (which it isn't) but this has been explained with his sixty hour work week which if there are 24 hours in a day, 28+140=168 hours in a week - said 60 =108 hours -56 hours for sleep is 42 hours. Subtract 6 hours a day for commute and food and that is 42-42=0. Hence he has no time, assuming to do anything other than work, commute, eat and sleep. Since he does take time to get on the internet and play magic for one hour each week (as he has said) it is assumed that he is either skipping meals or sleep. This means his body is not getting thecare that he needs and he is suffering from sleep deprivation which leads to dementia and decreased function of the amygdala. The good news that this can be corrected with breaks at work with either meditation or B-vitamin infusions. He can get those from energy drinks such as XS.

Hopefully the return to homeostatis will return his cognition to the proper mark and perhaps beyond to a proper level of comphrension, but such reindoctrining to the desired point from the current one will take time as well as dedication to keep the intake steady.

 
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 2:44am

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

So...we aren't talking about the combo anymore are we? The title seems to fit though. This argument no die either!
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 11:27am

XxMeizterxX
Posts: 112
Joined: 01-Nov-11

Regarding this post, and the title of the combo. I say that every combo using PA is not a sure win condition. Even if PA would become indestructible. There is no absolute win combo in magic.

My personal opinion on this tread: I think the proper word would be "lame". The owner of this combo had is opinion, and I agree with it. Even if the combo wasnt realy her's. She still posted it before and therefore we, as a community, should respect this and not copy to take some credit that you had thought before.

Boyachi, Your last comment is great, I like the scientifical thoughts behind. it makes a lot of sense. !
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 7:29pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

look, im gonna say it like this, keep off my posts if you wanna keep talkin crap. i am italian american, my vocabulary is pristine, i have a h.s. diploma and can spell and pronounce more words than half of you. drop it already. i didnt start a damn thing, i was accused of combo stealing, and you know what, im really tired of this shit already.

ill post 200 comments in a row just to piss people off. i will post any combo i want, there is no law in this world that says i cant. it is just a matter of respect, i dont get mad when people repost my combos, or alter one, name included, big deal, " YOU STOLE MY COMBO, WAHHH'' oh well, dont like me stay off my posts plain and simple


i didnt steal her combo, if you bother to read the thread, i happened across the D.I. in my collection, said to myself "this would go good with platinum, and posted it, if you look the last time i was on this site, youll see i dont come here often, because everytime i do, someone gets sand in their vagina and has a problem with my combos,

boyachi, are you my health care provider, no. unlike you little kids (those who arnt, sorry) dont understand how the world works, i get 4-6 hrs, a sleep a night, if lucky, i eat 3 meals a day, work out everyday, work everyday, and still function. I do not play magic 24/7 like most people do, those who have 1000+posts know im talking to you.


turbine- how dull are you, your the main reason i stay away from this site, your the one who said my tattoo said mother fucker just last year and tore me a new one for posting that here, shut up, you slam on more people than anyone, all i see on here is people posting how you have a problem with stuff. and i will type in a constant one word run on sentence just to piss you off, diggin on me cause i was pissed and didnt take time to correctly type, oh well, like no one else ever has done it before


academic,  why would i apologize to you, i didnt steal shit from you. grow up, and if it matters, my original post at you said you talk shit and hide behind the internet, that proves who you are, was not a threat.

meizter- no one "owns" any combo, if they did, it would be either plagiarism, or copyright infringement, google ownership, to see what i mean,






[Edited by hunter_raine on 22/Oct/12 at 7:48PM]
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 7:45pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Your grammar is still atrocious.

There is a thing called etiquette.



et·i·quette

[et-i-kit, -ket] Show IPA


noun
1.
conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion.

2.
a prescribed or accepted code of usage in matters of ceremony, as at a court or in official or other formal observances.

3.
the code of ethical behavior regarding professional practice or action among the members of a profession in their dealings with each other: medical etiquette.

 

So here is a small list for this site:

1.You can post whatever you want, but if you adapted it from someone, give credit to them.
2.Don't threaten people.
3.Keep your emotions in check, just a tad. Keep in mind that this is A CHILD'S CARD GAME. There. I said it. I play a child's card game and I love it. I do not need to rage post and curse to get my point across about A CHILD'S CARD GAME.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 7:49pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

i will type any way i want, this is America, assuming you are also in America,  every pack of magic say 13+ which means to adult, and ive been in this game since launch,

i will spell it out for you,   I  DID NOT STEAL ANYONES COMBO, IF YOU HAD READ THE THREAD, I POSTED THE COMBO, I DONT HAVE TIME TO SEARCH AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE POSTED THE SAME / SIMILAR COMBO, IF YOU THINK I DID IT ON PURPOSE, WELL I DIDNT, IVE SAID THAT ENOUGH TIMES ALREADY.

DROP IT PLEASE, IM TIRED OF DEALING WITH IT, MOVE ON..

PEOPLE STILL STEAL MY COMBOS AND COMBO NAMES, YOU DONT SEE ME GETTIN MAD ABOUT THAT, THATS WHY WE POST HERE TO GIVE IDEAS TO OTHERS, AM I WRONG?

and your right, etiquette is important, im sorry for blowing up, but if i went on anyone else post and started crying "you stole my combo"  the same thing would happen.

no one owns any combo, i didnt snipe any combo, i dont lie, you dont like it, dont post,

keep responding and talking crap on this thread and i will keep blowing it up.

@ Kethiju  -   too funny lol

DROP IT ALREADY


[Edited by hunter_raine on 22/Oct/12 at 7:56PM]

[Edited by hunter_raine on 22/Oct/12 at 7:58PM]
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 8:52pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

All right. Let's do this!

First of all, I'm glad to know that I am keeping you away from this site. Also, I only insult those people who don't deserve any respect. I find it humorous how you claim that the only thing that people post about is my problems with stuff, considering the fact that I haven't posted in a while, and your idiocy is what led me back to this site in the first place. You've stirred up more trouble than I ever had.

If I'm so troublesome and problematic, then why are you purposely trying to anger me? Also, you are the first person that I've seen on the website with such atrocious spelling and linguistic etiquette.

The best part of all of this is that, even though I'm so much younger than you, I've received a better education than your High School Diploma. I'm already taking college-level classes. In words that you'd better understand, "Bitch, get on my level".
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 9:00pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I'm not reading any more of your crying, Raine. Too many people have actually given you the time of day over this, and you've learned nothing from them.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 10:34pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

@academic -have you learned anything from them? 

You accuse him of stealing something you did without giving credit - yet you steal his combo name without giving credit.   Your combo in question was obvoiusly influenced by the immortallity combo being discussed at the time - but no credit there either.  In the combo called "2 card instant mill" you state "this is an orignal combo...an orginal idea".  how was it orignal?  turbine and tiger posted versions a while back or is it orginal because Manshoon got rid of the extra crap and cut down to the nit and grit, but isn't that what hunter did?

The fact is we all borrow and steal ideas and inspiration from each other, but credit won't always be given because sometimes we don't realize it needed to be given.  I myself don't look up combos before I post, if the combos in the system I can't post it, if its not I can, simple as that.  and I know I'm not the only one to do that.  So no credit won't always be given.  Take solice in your posting was good enough that somebody would use it.  Besides if credit was to be given, who would you give it to-its not like you were the first person to use platinum angel and diplomatic immunity

 

@hunter - Is the increased blood pressure really worth what strangers on the internet say?  Who cares if someone says you stole something, or how you talk, or where your from, or whatever. They don't like what you say or what you post, let them say it, does it change who you are?  If your life is anything like mine there is to much crap happening in our normal lifes to get mad about.  Its not worth getting angry about some internet crap, just let them say their thing and you just go happily post your next combo. 

But if you do fly off the handle, one request, watch the language.  While there are adults on this site there are childern too, and they don't need to be exposed to that yet.  It'll happen soon enough own its own.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/22/12 at 10:59pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Intelligence does not equal wisdom...and experience means far more than raw knowledge...those ignore wisdom in favor of intelligence...are a larger fools than even I. So before you boast of your intellect...remember this friends...

If the intelligent can be foolish...

Can't the foolish also be intelligent...

And Vice-Versa...the point ultimately being...

College courses and higher learning don't mean sh@t as far as actual substantial abilities go...not that it doesn't help you score a better job...(And don't lie and say your doing it to better your mind...because we all know that's a crock of crap)...

My point being...looking down on others due to the fact that they lack higher education is not very nice at all...in fact a lot of people today lack higher education and have...skills you wish you could have...like taking a knife and running it through someone's windpipe...throwing a blade cleanly into someone's eye...just the little things that make life...fun...yes...that's it...fun...

...On that note...that is all I have to say regarding this post...now let's move on to bigger and better things...like how are we gonna end this thread once and for all because everybody has to throw their two cents in on a situation that we would all better to move on FROM!

Secondly...stop throwing insults...it's mean and makes you look like a fairly foolish individual (Tea kettle calling the pot black so to speak.) And to those who are throwing insults at Hunter...well you are no better than the insults you throw at him...

Wanna argue about it? Too bad...cause I'll just offer you a drink and a place to sit while I watch netflix...because once again...life is too short...so please...let it go!!!!!!

Please?

PLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZ???????????????

PLLEAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????

With a razor blade to throat on top? :3
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 12:14am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I'm sorry, gericault, but I'm not interested in parsing that out. I don't really value your insight that much.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 7:14am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

The only reason that I brought up the topic of education was the fact that he was looking down upon people for their age. Age is not an accurate measure of intelligence or critical thinking ability. I don't feel like ending this thread. Arguing is just too much fun! :D

Watch those sharp objects, Jester. You wouldn't want to cut anyone , would you? (Not saying anything about what I want)

Academic, seriously? You're just going to ignore someone who took the time to write out a message to you, just because you don't value their opinion. Good news, sir. You have reached the pinnacle of closed-mindedness.

Gericault, I find it slightly ironic how you requested that Hunter watched his language, then used the word "crap" in the same post, which admittedly, is nothing compared to the vehement diction that Hunter has been using.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 8:45am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

@turbine- yeah crap isn,t anywhere in the same vein, they say crap on cartoons these days- dexters lab for example. Its only a matter of time before before a monster shows up on mlp and fluttershy goes "ohh crap"
And im not saying there shouldnt be any bad words, thatll be to hard but at least lets try to keep them pg-13
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 8:58am

Academic
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Yes, that's on par with the sort of naive, accommodating worldview that most sophomores learn to lose. 'Open-mindedness', without filters for the ignorant, the dishonest, and the incorrect is worse than foolish naivety - it's the very antithesis of knowledge.

But I don't doubt that you'll come to that understanding yourself, as your studies lead you to respect intellectual honesty.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 9:42am

Turbine
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You talk about open-minded news without filters for the ignorant? Ignorance is the only thing that I do not condone. You probably follow what you consider a moral life. I don't agree with your ignorant belief in inherent morals.

These morals likely are what lead you to believe that you have the right to ignore opposing viewpoints. You specifically said that you aren't going to listen to Gericault, because he thinks differeently than you. That is the height of ignorance.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 3:01pm

Academic
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Yes, nothing like philosophy 101 to convince an experienced academic of her amorality. [/sarcasm]

From a teleological perspective (which is the perspective I work from - I deal in hard science), be it genetics (where my behaviour must be accurately considered as the correct response, as acting on ignorance can put genes at risk), or neurology (where my brain, after being exposed to gericault's prior 'insight', established primary reward systems, set to go off when I ignore him, in hopes of encouraging future repetition of that behaviour). I am less ignorant (and happier!) because I put no stock in gericault, and that benefits my survival. That means, at the very least, my action is good, which of course is what teleology is concerned with.

As for whether my actions are right or not, well, you've helped establish the precedence, Turbine. You've become something of a token intellect, and you deride and debase those you find offensive on purely intellectual grounds. The culture of this forum has determined that your actions are acceptable, and has encouraged people to act more like it. Either I'm right in my actions, because your social standard is right, or I'm wrong, which would mean that you've been acting out a relativist fallacy (do as I say but not as I do), which would mean that you're intellectually dishonest, and I'd be better off not considering your insight.

tl;dr version - How often have you found challenging a masters student to be to your benefit, undergrad? :D Trust me, I'm well abreast on morality conventions, and I'm both good and right in this thread. Maybe not 'liked', but 'liked' is subjective, and if someone doesn't 'like' my standing up for myself when a dick threatens me, then fuck that person, I will put less stock in that person's insight. Their opinions are both bad and wrong by definition.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 3:38pm

Kethiju
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I'm not going to perpetuate an argument between an Italian and a Fillapina. If it would help, I'll pay for some ring time for the 2 of you to work out your problem. I'm not going to make assumptions, but it almost sounds like someone's gone without some sexual attention in a while, and has desided to lash out at a male because he beat her to the punch on a card combo. I hope you realize it's just a card game. I've been in the Magic scene since 1993, and have only seen this kind of behavior from a woman when she's been without stimulation in her nether regions for a while. After this post, I am done with this thread. If you have a problem, please, keep it to yourself Ms. Master Degree Student. I've got Medical School things to worry about. In conclusion, my medical recomendation for you is to GET A GODDAMN DILDO/VIBRATOR AND SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR FOR AN HOUR! Administer as needed every 4 hours. I'll even write you a RX for the dildo.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 3:48pm

Academic
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You should read some Freud, bro.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 4:02pm

Kethiju
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You have the never to tell me to read some Freud, when you yourself flipped a bitch fit when you thought Hunter stole your combo? You must be a sad, bitter, lonely woman. I would honestly be amazed if you had any sort of interpersonal skills beyond the ability to type and post pictures. I had a little sympathy for you when I first started reading this cluster fuck of a thread, but now, I have nothing for you but contempt. How dare you "instruct" me to read Freud, or call me Bro for that matter? I'm not your friend. I have no desire to be your friend. Please read my previous medical recommendation for you. Also seek out a professional shrink. You badly need one. If you have any further stupidities to vomit forth from your seeming bottomless rage pit, please address them to the cylindrical receptical located at the median of your gluteous maximus, medious and minimus. This area is usually reserved for voiding the colon, but I think you can manage.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 4:05pm

Kethiju
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Spelling error! Nerve was the intended word in my last post. Should get on how to edit a post after the fact.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 4:32pm

Academic
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You should probably also look up 'relativist fallacies' too, bro. :/

Politely, I think you've relented what credulity you might have had the second you claimed medical knowledge while simultaneously arguing for Female Hysteria - a medical practice disavowed in the early 20th century - in a fit of sexism-fueled ignorance in hopes of disempowering a person because they had the audacity of talking back to a male.

(This, by the by, is the very reason that there's a consistently low female turnout for Magic tournaments and events - the fragility of *some* male psyches are so delicate that even the idea that a woman can be (god forbid) better in any way is perceived as a personal attack.)

The fact that you can spaz out, while chiding someone for supposedly spazzing out (which was a spurious accusation in and of itself) while you are spazzing out should have been the first clue that maybe you're not intellectually consistent. Please don't mischaracterize my actions because you feel need to flip out and be a sexist dick, dudebro.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 4:45pm

hunter_raine
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you people never learn, or cant read.

i did not intentionally "steal" anything

i did not search for anything before i posted.

if i had, i still wouldnt give credit, because my idea did not come from this site

turbine. all the schooling in the world cant save you in the real world, so quit trying to make yourself seem smart.  mommy and daddies money can get you all the education you want, but it will not teach you street smarts son.

as for the rest of you, you win


you will never see me here again. i dont need this shit from a bunch of assholes who think their the best thing on this earth.

i hope you all fucking die.


keithju,  thanks for the support, at least someone realizes i didnt steal shit from a little girl,


[Edited by hunter_raine on 23/Oct/12 at 4:47PM]

[Edited by hunter_raine on 23/Oct/12 at 4:50PM]
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 8:17pm

Turbine
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Street smarts? My idea of street smarts is knowing how to keep off of the streets.

Oh, wait. Hunter left?
My work here is done.

Feel free to let the thread die. Something productive has finally come of it.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/23/12 at 10:02pm

Boyachi
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I am kind of sad it is over. I haven't been this interested in drama since the Mel Gisbon audio tapes were released.

I'd totally make a comment about the projector, but I'm trying to keep my innuendo in check at least one place online.

So... what did we all learn?
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 2:57am

Kethiju
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Academic, if this could be made a private conversation instead of on the forum, I would rather that. Since that doesn't seem to be a possible, we'll go ahead and settle this here. I am not in the remotest "threatened" by you. Plain and simple. I couldn't care about the plight you supposedly face while playing M:TG. The fact that you only apparently know weak and souless males isn't my fault, or anyone else's fault on this forum. You did spaz out when you claimed that Hunter stole your combo. If you truely were an empowered woman, you should have just let it go before it came to this. I have serious doubts to your security with yourself. That's not your fault either. It's American society that pressures women to be perfect in physical appearance. I again don't give a rat's ass what you look like. I have a wife that I care deeply for. She plays M:TG and is better than a lot of the people we play with. That said, she is truely an empowered woman. She doesn't look to me for validation. She doesn't look to me to support her while she stays home and makes like a "good house wife." She's a chef. Something she chose herself to do. Now, back to you. You seem to think that whenever a man voices an opinion about something or disagrees with something you say, you immediatelly attack them. Look over this whole cluster fuck of a thread and tell me I'm wrong. You belittled someone for being an undergrad and tried to make yourself seem better by saying you're a master's student. What bearing did that have on the, let's be honest, childish argument? So, when I made my first opinion of you, I was correct. You obviously can't see the forest from the trees. Get some insight to how reality works. Women will always be viewed as weaker, because of at least 25,000 years of that being the way it was. Regardless of the equality laws which I'm sure you will spout about, your gender isn't our equal. That again, is just society in general. Count yourself lucky (providing you live in the United States) that you have such freedoms to go to school. The next time you want to lash out at a man about your plights, think about why women are viewed as weaker. Logical thought is generally lost on your gender. Women aren't as good at physical tasks as men are. The contributions women have made are numerous, specifically, the proliferation of our species. Let me cap this off by saying, no matter what you say to me, you will never break me. You will never make me feel bad about having an opinion. You will never gain an upper hand over me. If you want to be treated as an equal, stop trying to actu superior.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 1:01pm

Academic
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....kethiju, I've only gone about three sentences in, and I'm afraid I'm going to stop there. Your sexism is such that you don't keep it restrained to women - you clearly have been enculturated into some uncomfortable world views as they pertain to gender roles. Plus, you still feel need to explain things to me, and to explicitly tell me that you're not 'intimidated' by me, despite the fact that I'd never brought the topic up in conversation - that's a bit more revealing than you'd intended.

Let me be clear. I'm a neurologist with a minor in equity feminism. That means that some of the most brilliant minds of our generation have taken a look at my worldview and knowledge, and subsequently certified me for my knowledge (which I had devoted nearly nine years of study and practice to achieve). You're acting on unconscious cultural programming.

You might have assumed I was attacking you because of your gender - that's just wrong. I've called you out because of your inaccuracies. If you had been a woman, you'd have still been incorrect assumptions, ranging from my motivations, my knowledge base and expertise, and how a woman is to behave around men. Or, clearly, how men are to behave around women. :/

(Kindly understand - this is a much more polite reply than you deserve. The second you decided to reduce my knowledge and experience to 'oh, you have a vagina, go play with yourself, woman' was the second that you became toxic, and wrong, in this conversation. )

For what it's worth, I do consider you better than Raine; Hunter seems deliberately ignorant, and the deliberately obtuse simply can't be made better - you're coming off instead as simply uneducated on the topic, and that could be fixed with some Christina Hoff Sommers. But if you really and truly believe that the way you're acting is right, or good, then you need to reevaluate both your definition of what it means to be right, and what it means to be good.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 1:43pm

Kethiju
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Let me say that I was raised by my mother. So, I am not in the least bit sexist. I as a general rule, give women the respect they deserve. I will admit that I probably came into that whole "conversation" a little late, and had a bad opinion of the situation. Mistakes happen. Also, I have never had any sort of extended interaction with you. In fact, I really think this is the first interaction I've had with you. Sadly, it has destroyed any sort of positive opinion I could have formed. My field of study as far as medicine is concerned is cardiology. A subject near and dear to me. Why it's near and dear will just have to remain a mystery to the forum goers. I am not the type of person who easily changes an opinion about someone. Trying to come off softer and kinder to me than Hunter because I am obviously much more intelligent than he was isn't going to win you any points with me. That said, You have stuck to your guns, and that is admirable. Oh, I forgot to mention, I know some Fillipinas, and you are par for the course. Agressive little things. Not to be misinterpreted. That's not an insult. Just in case there's the question of where I know 1 from, Lamay Bataan.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 3:33pm

Academic
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Ugh.

I sincerely don't care about your pursuit of cardiology. I never challenged your acquired skills or knowledges over something so trivial as gender. That was all you.

And I accept the apology regarding you jumping into this argument uninformed. I appreciate that you've come to understand that you've picked the wrong side of this fight, and that you'd made assumptions that were flat-out incorrect.

I wasn't being 'soft', or 'kind'. I was flatly stating that you have the potential to fix this behaviour. And Raine clearly hadn't. I hadn't said anything regarding whether you're 'smarter' than Raine, because there isn't any evidence to verify that one way or the other. If you're telling me to doubt that you can be educated into thinking in a logically sound, gender equitable fashion... fine. Okay. Whatever. I'm willing to agree.

But you need to face facts.

"I'm not going to perpetuate an argument between an Italian and a Fillapina."

"but it almost sounds like someone's gone without some sexual attention in a while, and has desided to lash out at a male"

" have only seen this kind of behavior from a woman when she's been without stimulation in her nether regions for a while."

"GET A GODDAMN DILDO/VIBRATOR AND SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR FOR AN HOUR!"

"You must be a sad, bitter, lonely woman."

"If you truely were an empowered woman, you should have just let it go before it came to this."

" You seem to think that whenever a man voices an opinion about something or disagrees with something you say, you immediatelly attack them." (I'm the one being attacked for voicing an opinion, but lets keep going.)

"Women will always be viewed as weaker, because of at least 25,000 years of that being the way it was. "

"Logical thought is generally lost on your gender." (To wit - a council of the most brilliant minds our generation has produced had specifically certified the soundness of my logic - but let's keep going.)

"Women aren't as good at physical tasks as men are."

"The contributions women have made are numerous, specifically, the proliferation of our species." (Yes, we sure do give birth.)

"your gender isn't our equal."

"your gender isn't our equal.

"your gender isn't our equal."

"your gender isn't our equal."

"your gender isn't our equal."

"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."

"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."
"your gender isn't our equal."

"I am not in the least bit sexist".

Yes. Yes, you are. And I can prove it. Go talk to your wife, your mother, any sisters you may have, female government officials, female professors, or any other woman who actually has authority over your life. Talk to them the way you were talking to me, back when you'd thought I was in the wrong in the argument.

Tell your mother to shove a vibrator in her vagina so she'll be less uppity.

Tell your girlfriend that her gender's contribution to our species is ultimately breeding.

Tell a woman cop that she's just not as strong as a man, and that the only reason that you're saying this to her is because there's 25000 years of sexist precedent (and where are you getting this 25000 number? Our species has been around for 200000 years, and has behaved as in modernity for nearly 50000).

Tell a woman judge that she can't deliver as good a judgement as her male counterparts because she's just not as good as them, when it comes to logical reasoning.

And of course, you won't, because then the people you have to interact with will treat you, accurately, like a sexist.

And you're damn right you're a sexist. All you need is the right circumstance, the right motivations, and you'll act on your sexism. Like being on the wrong side of a fight on the internet.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 4:27pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
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You are working with the assumption that a woman has authority over my life. If you'll recall, I'm married. I don't give people any authority over my life unless they are in a law enforcement or managerial position above me. That's not just women. With that said, I am going to abandon this conversation. There's no point to it at all. Other than wasting time that could be spent in other ways. Quite honestly, you are boring me. You are becoming a broken record. Saying the same things over and over, just with a different coloring and flavors. Much like the gelatin you have as a profile picture. Still flavorless gelatin. Just colorful.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 4:36pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
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I think you are both just ultimately a part of the human race...at that point it matters little...for you see...we are all part of...It...

WE ARE ALL PART OF THAT FREAK OF NATURE GENE POOL!

WE ARE ALL GOD'S LOST CHILDREN!

WE ARE ALL A PART OF...THAT BLOTTED TRACE...

VANITIES IN EXTREME FORMATION...BRINGING FORTH DEATH'S FACE...

OUR HYPOCRACIES WILL FAR OUTLIVE THE FUTILE SCRIPT...

OF OUR...DYING, JOKE OF A RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Cackles madly as flames shoot off in the background*

Me: So Tim...how much did the pyrotechnics put us back this time?

Tim: Well about five-

Me: YAY! :D

Tim: -Thousand...

Me: o<(0_e)>o *Twitcha twich!* !!!!WAH!!!! o<(T^T)>o

Tim: So...re-open the Ebay account?

Me: With much chagrin and shame, Tim. With much chagrin and shame.


-FIN
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 5:13pm

Kethiju
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Hey! I'm one of God's chosen people. Ok...yeah...we're lost. Jester, I actually like you. You have this...way of making me chuckle. Probably just the profile pic. Might also be the knife comment earlier. I don't know. I gotta get ready for night shift.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 6:09pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

This combo has 100 more views than any other this week, I just thought I'd point that out.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 6:43pm

Academic
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"You are working with the assumption that a woman has authority over my life."

Several women have authority over your life. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for example, has one of the strongest authorities in the whole of the United States. 17 members of the senate are women, as are 90 members of congress. As are *at least* one third or more of your police force (and I can say that irrespective of where you live. Nearly half of the judges in your city are women, and I'd imagine there's a like portion of civil servants are also women.

Which is to say, several women have authority over you. That is a fact, and you can fucking deal with it. And, I mean, on purely status terms, they're better than you. And since they're holding positions that you're incapable of holding, it's very likely that they're smarter than you, too. (Sorry, hun, but I blew through cardiology on my way to neurology. Hearts are remarkably simple, and I'd actually be fine if nurses handled the majority of cardiac examinations - oh, wait, they already do. :D)

But I'm willing to get to the heart (*snrk*) of the matter. Here's your words again.

"You are working with the assumption that a woman has authority over my life."

No. Wrong. I *know* women have authority over your life. Fact. Deal with it. I'm working off the assumption that you're a sexist, and I'm proving my points through unassailable logic. Which you can't do, because your stances are flimsy and based entirely on how you feel.

Which means I'm right. And I offer your contributions to this argument, and my own, as evidence to that fact.

But hey, maybe it's me. Maybe, because you're targeting women, I'm just getting personally offended. I should take women out of the picture. Let's substitute 'woman' for 'black'. Ideally, this will sound less offensive, right?

"You are working with the assumption that a black has authority over my life."

....Nope. That's pretty fucking racist. If you'd said that to someone, they'd call you racist as hell. Well, good thing you hadn't said that. Well, maybe if we substitute 'woman' for 'gay'

"You are working with the assumption that a gay has authority over my life. "

Well, shit. Guess not. :/

I have no idea why you're supplicating towards Jester, aside from the social perks of doing so - he's acting as an equality feminist (be it one who's not personally insulted by your attacks on the female gender). His hope is that we can treat each other with respect, and you've made it clear that you can't respect a woman unless she acts as your subordinate, or at least with an unspoken assumption that she's your subordinate - and that's gross.

I'd be very careful to throw around 'broken record', also. I've attacked your misogyny from several different angles, even if there's a common theme (that you are a sexist). Whereas you're parroted 'I'm not a sexist, I have woman friends (WHO HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER ME BECAUSE I AM A MAN)' over and over and over, with absolutely no revision for critical self-examination. You're just in no position to be playing that card. :D
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 8:34pm

DyingJester
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Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 8:57pm

Academic
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Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 9:14pm

XxMeizterxX
Posts: 112
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I had this creepy crawlers toy when I was 8 XD
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 6:05am

Kethiju
Posts: 225
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I had one too. I think every guy born in the 1980's had one. Academic, you are doing nothing right now but proving that you have nothing else better to do with your time than argue with someone who isn't going to give you what you want. So, just drop it. :) You're not going to win. Have a nice day sweety. *swats firmly on the ass* Now get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 11:45am

Turbine
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How did sexism come up?

Well, anyways, on the topic of feminism, take a look at Anita Sarkeesian. . .I rest my case.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 12:07pm

Academic
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Okay. I slap you upside the head with two slices of bread and blast your face with mustard. Now you're not a dumb retrograde sexist idiot  - now, you're a dumb retrograde sexist idiot sandwich!

 By all means, belabour this argument you have lost so completely just so you can 'last post win'. :D I have thorouly fucking exposed you. Look at the view counts for this thread. I'm willing to garner the entirety of the regulars have seen what's happened here. 

They've seen you, as you vomitted your idiot theories - Not one has come to your defesnse. And I'm glad. It means that irrespective of their opinions of my approach to an argument, they've found what you have to say to be less acceptable. 

I win, idiot. Go ahead and have the last post. Be sure to blame your impotence in this situation on women, bro, it'll make you feel better. :)

Turbine - around the time Kethiju decided to tell me to shove a vibrator inside of me so I'd be less uppity. He's already conceded that he picked the wrong side of the argument between myself and Raine - but despite that, he's still insistent on keeping up this sexist dick facade. I have no idea what his motivations are. : D


[Edited by Academic on 25/Oct/12 at 12:16PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 12:13pm

XxMeizterxX
Posts: 112
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can we move on from this ?!

Geez, im gettin tired of all this and want to see more combos. This is going nowhere. Academic take your point and move on plz.

And you guyz, plz and i mean PLZ let it go. Give her the point and move on with your lives.

Cant you all see that hatred and sexist wont give any credit ?!

Thx to consider this as the last post of this tread and live free with all the loved one you care about !
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 12:23pm

DyingJester
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@Academic: His motives are kind of obvious...he's trolling you...I thought that was clear after his first post that you responded you...you are playing his game now...by responding...the only way to win is not to play...unfortunately you seem to take everything he says seriously...so in doing so...what is the age old phrase... Feeding the trolls so to speak...

@Kethiju:Your satire is spot on as far as comedy goes... *Clap Clap*

@Meizter(Jace profile pick guy): AMEN!
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 12:40pm

Academic
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Jester - if it were trolling, I'd have brushed him off earlier. I mean I did that to what, two, three people in this thread alone? I have no problem dismissing people when they're insincere or poorly informed.

That said, this is different. Yes, he's down to playing the 'trolling' card now, but take some time to retread his posts. There's no humor, or 'trolling' when he gets upset by the idea of women being better than he is, or controlling women's behaviour. This is deeper than that.

He may, for all intents and purposes, be trolling <I>now</I>. But his piss-poor belief in a woman's place is completely authentic.

Look, Kethiju! Jester has given you opportunity for a graceful withdraw from the conversation, complete with the premise that you're not a myopic idiot. I'd suggest you take it. 


[Edited by Academic on 25/Oct/12 at 12:44PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 1:45pm

DyingJester
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Whoa, whoa, no...I know comedy...and the anger...meh...It's completely insincere...for that matter...too well scripted...he knows how to push your buttons...battle of the sexes being an easy thing to upset somebody about...think about it...if this isn't a troll he wouldn't be continuing so persistently...first rule of trolling my friends...you win whenever the person you are trolling walks away...that is the rules of the game...

I mean if he were really sincere about this...why waste time posting it on an MTG combos website? Wouldn't it be more harassing to just go directly to a feminist website and post such things...I mean what consequence would there be? IP Ban? HA! To a troll that is the highest honor indeed...a good troll knows how to start a debate via touchy issue...and every negative reaction is a prize for playing this game...

As far as loopholes go...at this point I'd say he doesn't need one...he's had his fun...that much is for certain...

And what makes it obvious? His first post...

"So...we aren't talking about the combo anymore are we? The title seems to fit though. This argument no die either!"

...and this is when I first came to my conclusion...this argument will not die...and you know what... Kethiju made good on his word did he not?

And for that I must say...the comedy...is golden...
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 1:51pm

Academic
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He'd do it for the same reasons that men belittle women in public over perceived slight every day, Jester. To control her behaviour. Which is what he's been trying to do from the gun - to belittle me and dismiss me so that I'd back off on the guy who threatened me with physical violence - another means by which men control women.

And now you've empowered him by suggesting legitimacy in his tactics. Is that really the side you're going to pick here?

-edit-And with all due respect (which has stretched very thin), for all you know of 'comedy', I know the human mind, the human phyche, and I know the tactics used by men to subjugate women.

From 72pins.com:

"his response was to tell us to “lighten up”, accuse my fiance of playing the “sexism card” (even though I was the one who called him a sexist), and also to say that he couldn’t be a sexist because a woman he knew thought the stripper joke was funny.

Let me simplify all that obfuscation: women need to have a sense of humor about having their abilities belittled by men; calling a sexist a sexist is unfair; and of course, “some of my best friends are women”.

[...]

Saying that you’re just joking doesn’t get you off the hook. Even if I did believe that the washed-up critic was joking, which I don’t, unironically making a joke with a sexist punchline makes you sexist. Maybe not a full-on misogynist, but clearly someone who thinks the idea that women are inferior to men is funny, in a funny-because-it’s-true kind of way.

Finally, “playing the sexism card” doesn’t mean pointing out when a sexist is saying sexist things, but calling someone a sexist as a counter-argument. If the washed-up critic had criticized her writing on its own merits, then calling him a sexist would have been unfair. But he didn’t do that. He said she only got a job because she’s a woman, which completely dismisses the content of her work. It’s just another way of saying to her “Any man would have been more deserving of the job you got, but fortunately for you, you have a vagina.” It’s hard to find a clearer case of sexism.

I might have actually linked to the post in question, if the washed-up critic hadn’t deleted all of our comments after telling us to be more “thick-skinned”. Like most sexists, he has no sense of irony, and a talent for projecting his own inadequacies onto others. Of course in one of his replies, he did defend his sexist “humor” by comparing it to Kotaku’s (well, he’s right about one thing), so it’s no surprise that he’s quick to silence any dissenting voices any way he can."


From "Belittling Women Makes You Sexist". Because it does, and there's no excuse.

But because of your decision, you've given Kethiju free reign to do this. And that's a shite decision for someone who wants this place to grow into a community.-/edit-

[Edited by Academic on 25/Oct/12 at 2:07PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 3:09pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I'm not picking sides here...I'm saying he's trolling us...and if we just accept that and move on...he will have no power...and get bored and move on...

That is my point...I have no interest in petty squabbling...of any sort...I'm not that kind of guy (Or girl, whose to say?) or jester too say...but if we just say yeah okay cool story bro, the argument ends...that is all I'm rallying for...hence the reason I'm writing it all off as a troll...



[Edited by Dyingjester on 25/Oct/12 at 3:09PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 3:13pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

All I ever do is advocate agree to disagree...I don't want to make enemies or argue...That last comment hurts Academic...and I just want to let you know something...It's all good...I disagree with it completely...so let us agree to disagree on the subject of whether or not I want this community to grow...now let's move on to something more awesome...like The Captain's new mechanic based tournament!

:D

PS: I'm sorry if I offend...but after all...I am just... A Fool...*Bows*
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 4:09pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

Academic, that "trolling" post you just flew off about had the exact effect I wanted it to. You got angered by something I said. You gave up power by letting an outside force effect your emotions. Now, I am thoroughly and completely bored with you. Same song over and over. Your comments have absolutely no impact. None. I don't feel bad in the least for saying to you what I have. I have no guilt about you being a dick to you. None at all. I feel no remorse. exept at ever having known of your existance. Things happen the way they do for a reason I guess. All in all, through the shroud you've attempted to pull over everyone, it's plain to see you are an insecure little (meaning height as well) girl with daddy issues. If you reply to this, you will get nothing for it. I am making it a point to ignore the fact you exist. Often times, that is the most enraging thing to do to a woman. So, let's see if it works on you. Much like the sandwich statement. Which was funny by the way. Your reaction was golden. lol
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 4:11pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

One more thing before i disavow your existance. Have you looked into Social Security Disability? You can get it for being a dwarf. Shouldn't be too far out of your reach. I couldn't type that with a straight face.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:00pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

:D Don't front, son. You're a dumb sexist, and you saw an out (claiming this all as a troll) because Jester provided it for you. And as his final posts have indicted, he understands why even calling this 'trolling' is condoning sexism in general.

For my part, I've posted your comments on my blog, and onto my Facebook. Enlighttened women (and men) across our nation have been laughing at your impotence, and how hard you've tried to control me

And they've given me credit for having never let you brake me. I win, you impotent, sexist, lame little man. :D
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:04pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

The amazing thing about this thread is the fact that it hasn't reach 4chan status yet, and it is still the longest running conversation I've seen at this site since I got here.

I also have to say that I enjoy racist jokes, blond jokes, fart jokes, and dead baby jokes. I do not feel that this makes me a racist, a blond, or a dead baby. Everybody farts. Even me. I'll laugh at gender jokes, that doesn't make me think one is clear cut superior over the other. If you want examples, I'll collect a bunch of good ones and we'll all have some laughs (at each side).
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:49pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

If a joke is well put together, offensive or not, I'll laugh at it. Don't care who's in the room. My wife has come up with some pretty horrific dead baby jokes and she's a mother. I've heard all kinds of racist jokes, rape jokes (the clown was the best), blonde jokes. Even heard a couple prostitute jokes. Like A blind man walks past a fish stand and says "morning ladies." or 2 prostitutes are standing on a corner. One says to the other "gonna be a good night. I smell dick in the air." The other one says "naw, I just belched." I have quite the store of them from military service. Most of them are terribly offensive.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:50pm

XxMeizterxX
Posts: 112
Joined: 01-Nov-11

talking about dead baby jokes, i got a good one :D

WhAt is more funier than swinging a baby by a rope ??

sTOPING IT WITH A SHOVEL
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:53pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

OH MY GOD!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:53pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Kethiju's gender 'joke' was 'shove a vibrator into your vagina until you're less uppity'. He made that 'joke' because I had the audacity to talk back to a man who had threatened me with physical violence. He wanted me to shut up and take it, because he misunderstood who was in the wrong in the argument (he has said this himself). And he was using his 'joke' to try and shame me into shutting up.

And frankly, you should have been saying to him that it's not okay to treat women like this. You, yourself, and anyone else who was involved. You have a mother, or a grandmother, or a sister, or a wife. If Kethiju had said anything like he'd said here to one of them, in hopes of shutting them up for having an opinion, you'd tell Kethiju to fuck off (if you didn't outright put your hands on him). The fact that it's happening to someone else's mother, grandmother, sister, or wife shouldn't change your reaction.

Because for all you know, I am your mother, or your grandmother, or your sister, or your wife. Or girlfriend. Or even just friend.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:55pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

As for dead baby jokes, let me know the next time someone tries to use a dead baby joke to try and shame someone into shutting up and accepting threats of abuse, in the same way Kethiju did.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 6:09pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

I don't care about people I don't know. I just don't. Even some of the people I do know, I wouldn't give them a drink of water to save their life. So what chance does the plight of the female population of the planet have to move me, when I can callously let a family member die? I could even watch them die. There are only 2 women on this planet that mean anything to me. My mother and my wife. I'm kind of indifferent towards my mother. Life is nothing but a death sentence. Thanks mom... On that note, I will never father children. Period. I won't be the reason someone else has to die. The kids my wife has aren't mine. Since I don't have any of my own, not really sure if i treat them like mine or not. No difference. Wife says I'm doing fine with them. Anyway, that's my bit on that.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 6:19pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

"I don't deny that I'm a sexist, but to be fair, I treat my own family like crap"

:/

Keep sexism off this forum, Kethiju. You know you were in the wrong in the first place, and you've apologized for that. I've accepted that apology. Now ignore your pride for a second, accept that your susequent tactics were crap, and tell me that you didn't understand that you were trying to control my actions by belittling me. Act like a human, so that I can treat you like one.

Because I can't back down until you acknowledged that you've made a bad move.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 6:33pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Do you guys even lift?
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 7:24pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I can lift my own body weight, yo. You can't do that. :D
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 7:45pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Not threatening people was #2 on my etiquette list. Well before this A vs. K 47 bout began.

Last I checked I could bench my own weight and the heaviest person I lifted was over 200lbs.

The dead baby shovel joke is the best one I've ever heard, and that was back in 2004,

 

I'm curious about where everyone stands with "yo momma" jokes. They've never struck me as offensive since the people telling them either loved my mom or had no idea who she was.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 8:27pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I could probably bench my own weight, but I've never worked out in a gym, so I wouldn't know. I'm just assuming, because I weigh so little. . .

Yo mama jokes aren't offensive.

Q: What's the difference between a Jew and a Girl Scout?
A: Girl Scouts sell baked goods. Jews are baked goods.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 9:41pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

considering this was the first thing i ever did with a platinum angel when they first came out in mirrodin... and i posted it same day as i joined this site... this particular use of diplomatic immunity isnt a shock to me (sorry to burst your bubble)
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:08pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Draco+

There, now I shocked you!

Edit: Luckly, the shock wasn't enough to kill you !


[Edited by Boyachi on 25/Oct/12 at 10:08PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:11pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

One of my favorite yo momma jokes is as follows; Yo momma is so fat, she has smaller fat women orbitting around her.

Another one is "Yo momma is so poor, when I outted the lit cigarette butt on the floor she had "Who put out the heater?"

Yo momma is so fat, when your daddy got on top to have sex with her, he burned his ass on the light bulb.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:13pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

So...is this over yet...or do I need to keep spamming pony pictures?

I mean...it's a win/win for me either way...so...yeah...
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:32pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

I have no desire to continue talking to you Academic. Not on this topic or any other. You're still not going to get what you want from me. Accept it or don't. I don't care. Moving on.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:55pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12



I need to smack Draco a little bit here, but I think it'll be over after that.

Draco - So someone wasn't paying attention, and decided to drop an unenlightened snippy comment while everyone else involved was trying to rectify things.

I'm afraid I'm going to correct you. Very accurately.

1. The first person to suggest a shroud mechanism attached to Platinum Angel was The_Mind_Rapist, using Leonin Abunas. That was back in March, 2009. The second was jafo, using the Whispersilk Cloak. That was in July of 2009. So was the third, submitted by drummerfromhell, and the fourth, which was submitted by triggerhappy13. All three, the same month. In fact, 18 variations of the same combo were submitted before you'd submitted *any* combo involving Platinum Angel, which brings us to point number two:

2.No, you didn't submit this combo. Ever. Or any variation of it. Ever. You are now lying. Or remembering things incorrectly in a way that lets you act smug and self-righteous. Let me correct that lie/misremembering. The only combo you've submitted involving Platinum Angel is "stalemate or win", a giant clunky pile of cards that no one would comment on. It had no shroud mechanism, period. So, no, that snippy little comment of 'Oh well I did it before you did' has no truth to it, whatsoever.

3. All of that has literally no bearing on this situation.

It doesn't matter how many people hypothetically knew that Diplomatic Immunity existed - until I had submitted my Platinum Angel-Diplomatic Immunity combo, no one had ever so much as referenced the card on this site. After about a week goes by, Raine submitted my *exact* same combination, complete with the same shroud card that no one on this site had ever used. An obscure old card as far back as Mercadian Masques.

(For the record, there are 116 cards that grant 'shroud' - more, if you include shroud cards with odd wording.)

You are now enlightened.

Kethiju - you don't get it. You've exposed yourself as a sexist prick, and I got to smack you around on purely ideological grounds. You were indefensible, and thanks to your unflappability, myself and a bunch of girls got to spend a day laughing at you.

And on top of all that, I've managed to do this all while remining both good and right in the whole of this thread. I've won without compromising myself. I've gotten exactly what I've wanted out of you. ^^

Jester - got any good Rainbow Dash pics? Something silly?

[Edited by Academic on 25/Oct/12 at 11:02PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 11:06pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

I'll behave in any rational or irrational manner I damn well please. :) Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed having the mental workout. These workouts never last long enough though. Regretable. Especially when the people I interact with on a daily basis are dull, boring, and uninteresting. For the most part. Wife excluded.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:18am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08



 

Silly...yeah...that's the word for it...all smiles...

:D
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:36am

theotherguy
Posts: 346
Joined: 04-Feb-11

Wow. I was not expecting this. I have been away for too long... again... and learned far more than I wanted to... again...

[Edited by theotherguy on 26/Oct/12 at 12:38AM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 3:09am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Figured I'd drop off some more cute and smiley artwork...



"What seems to be the matter dear? Why do you cry and shake with fear? I've only had the

best dub me insane..."   -Disturbed, Album: Indestructible, Track: Perfect insanity

In this fool's opinion...the picture just fits that song so well...ya know?

:D

 
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 3:45am

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

You can't spell slaughter without laughter. Kind of Rakdos's motto it seems. Let's get everyone to get in an upraorious laughter, then start killing everyone. This time around though, let's get the circus involved! *evil circus music plays in the background* Ladies and gentlemen, hobos and tramps, 4-legged beetles and bow legged ants! I come before you to stand behind you to tell you a story I know noting about! Admission is free, pay at the door! Have a chair where you'd like and sit on the floor! One fine day in the middle of the night, 2 dead boys got up to fight. Back-to-back they faced eachother. Then drew their swords and shot eachother. A deaf policeman heard the noise. Went and killed the 2 dead boys. Don't believe my lie is true? Ask the blindman. He saw too.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:09pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

This post is false.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:36pm

darth_rayne
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-Oct-12

i think master of puppets fits better.. Actually has the line "all i hear or see is laughter" in the song.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:41pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I know it does...but I don't like metallica... :p

Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:51pm

darth_rayne
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-Oct-12

:0  oh no....... lol
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 1:43pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Sanity is a question. The answer is no.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 4:20pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

You want a song about absolute insanity? It's old, but it's called Mother. It was done by The Police. That song is insane.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/04/12 at 10:52am

darth_rayne
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-Oct-12

holy crap, it is......  weirdest song ive ever heard



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