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Combo Name: Turn 1 Anihilator!! - And a Comment/Question for ALL Submitted By: ColtonPower
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Channel
 Sorcery GG Beta, Uncommon

Lotus Petal
 Artifact 0 Tempest, Common

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
 Legendary Creature - Eldrazi 15 15/15 Rise of the Eldrazi, Mythic
Estimated Combo Cost: $22.28
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:38 am

ColtonPower
Posts: 34
Joined: 17-Feb-09

I saw some one pull this off in an MTGO Classic game over the weekend, ABSOLUTELY brutal!! Cast 2 Lotus Petals. I forgot to post the 2nd petal when I initially submitted the combo,  but u need 2 to pull it off. Then Channel for 15 colorless mana. Then Emrakul!!! Then on the extra turn you deal 15 damage along with anihilating opponents land (if he/she happend to play first) :-(

Ok, 2 questions for u all. #1) In mtg/mtgo tournaments, anything goes and I'm ok with Emrakul. But do u guys think an "Anihilator 6" like that should be banned in certain CASUAL formats?? I say YES, in particular Commander/EDH and Extended (that has Coudposts). It's alot harder to pull off 15 colorless in Standard on turn 1. So I suppose it's ok in Standard. 1 thing is certain, these anihilators have changed the face of magic forever!! And #2) Other than Duplicant, what other spell can take this bad boy out?   Thanks :-)

 


[Edited by ColtonPower on 24/May/10 at 11:47AM]
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:42am

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Brutal is an understatement.

I suggest adding a plains and Children of Korlis so you can gain the life back.
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:50am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Fortunatly, channel is restricted
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:51am

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

That is always a good thing.
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:59am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yep, Wizards used to know what they were doing
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 12:22pm

ColtonPower
Posts: 34
Joined: 17-Feb-09

 A couple weeks ago or so they held an online pre-release Rise of Eldrazi "SWISS" event. It was $30 to enter. They provided players with 3 draft boosters AND a complimentary promo Emrakul card!!!! Well, as u can imagine, many people played that event. Thus, there is over-infestation of Emrakuls online now. It seems like everyone is now playing hyper-mana accel deks in casual rooms, for the sole purpose of playing him. You wanna see a whole table of players concede in ffa multiplayer? Just cast Emrakul. GREAT GREAT card, but just way too powerful for fun casual, IMO.  
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 2:59pm

DuffCapers
Posts: 33
Joined: 20-May-10

I agree with the "too powerful for casual".  My group and I tend to stay away from overpowering, and 'less than fun' cards/combos when playing for fun.  Counterspells are frowned upon, but stuff like infinite combos, Jitte decks, and the new annihilator stuff don't see any play at our table.  It's funny when the "dragonstorm" deck is considered fast and powerful, but that's just the way we play.  I make more competitive decks from time to time, but then it becomes a matter of "KILL MIKE BEFORE HE WINS IT ALL", and that's not fun for me, so I stick with amusing themes, overly complicated combos, and just an overall fun deck.

Anyway - on to your question.  How to get rid of Mr. Emrakul.  It's actually not as hard as you would think.  Obviously you're not going to be able to terror/swords to plowshares our big ALL COLORED prot dude here, so we look to other methods that don't target him.

Any "wrath of god" type spell doesn't target him, and therefore will eliminate him...course this is AFTER he swings in for 15 on his second turn, so not exactly optimum.  The BEST way to get rid of this game ender is 'Diabolic Edict' or anything like that - Target player sacrifices a critter, and it needs to be an instant so they don't get to swing with the big baddie and make you sac 6 of your own perms.

Of course, in your example of the first turn Emrakul, it would have been funny if you had dropped a land and two petals as well, without casting anything.  Then when he dropped his emrakul, you play the HIT side of HIT/Run (1BR:  Target player sacrifices an artifact or creature. Hit deals damage to
that player equal to that permanent's converted mana cost)  In fact, this card may be the best way to get rid of the big arse, even though it is dual colored, and probably not effective to go in EVERY deck.

Well...taataa

Duffy
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 3:22pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

@DuffCapers

I completely agree with what you're saying. I take it you play multiplayer free-for-alls as well?

For anyone else, if you play long enough, with enough people each match, you realize having the super-powered awesome kill-them-all-in-one-turn decks will just make you a liable target in the beginning of the game. Sure, you could have the juggernaut of the game but it will draw the focus of every other player to eliminate you as soon as possible (whether in the current game or the next). You'll eventually find it's to your benefit to let other people seem like a threat while you build up your figurative infrastructure.

Because there is more focus on diplomacy and the chance at a fair fight, you tend not to create decks that are just a one time shot and you're gone. You're forced to gamble with the way you can win, otherwise you'll never win. You start giving people chances to build an army, even if you have a clear opening to kill them. And that's the way magic should be, imo.
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 3:31pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

hmm... protection from coloured spells....


[Edited by Ephemerance on 24/May/10 at 4:07PM]
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 3:53pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

You can't unsummon Emrakul.
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 4:08pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Well, if you're expecting Channel and lotus petals, why not balance and lotus petals?
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 4:32pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You only need one Lotus Petal and a Forest!
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 5:26pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Imagine if someone used the zero turn win while you had that Anihilator combo, talk about humiliation.


Anyway, what about Dark Ritual and Seal of Doom

.... Or Dark Ritual, Ornithopter, and


Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 7:24pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Horobi + Ghostfire... Yeah...
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 10:48pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

DuffCapers

in reference to you mentioning dragon storm decks as if they cant be fast, i once went ante entire collection for entire collection of cards with someone... i was running a dragon storm deck, they insisted in cutting, and shuffled when i wasn't looking, and gave me a perfect hand, when i was done, they had no permanents on the board, no graveyard, no library, no hand, and no life, with 22 attacking dragons on the board (gotta love infinite combos with elves and draw) dragon tyrant alone did 18 billion damage (plus double strike)

P.S.: they didn't even see their turn 1 first match

2nd match, they saw turn 4 (had to draw dragon storm) and same thing happened
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:04pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Got to love the dragons...
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:07pm

DuffCapers
Posts: 33
Joined: 20-May-10

@Ephemerance

Both your ways of getting rid of Emrakul won't work - they 'target' him, with a colored spell. 

@Draco Lich:  Love to hear how you do that sometime.  I can see some ways of getting it done, but 1st turn 22 dragons just doesn't seem viable - hell, 22 dragons is over a third of a 60 card deck.  I realize I'm making the assumption that you're playing with a 60 card deck, but a fair assumption since you claim such consistent performance.

And of course, all the ways I see of getting it done at all involve power, which I (nor anyone I know - nor MOST people who still play - those who say they do are either lying, or have entirely too much money tied up in a game) have no access to - and we DON'T play proxie.

But - that said.  Even in my meager dragonstorm deck, there is a combo where I can storm for maybe 6 on turn 2 - and that's game ending unless they have an mana boost and a wrath of god, or got as lucky with the pull as I did and pulled a balance.

((My way includes; orcish lumberjack, channel, seething song, and a couple of ornithopters - I've since dropped the lumberjacks, as they CAN speed it up, but lack staying power))

Duffy
Date Posted: Mon May/24/10 at 11:20pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I've seen a dragonstorm deck that can fetch dragons that can 1-turn-kill you... Just Desperate Rituals and Seething songs... Fetching Dragon Tyrants and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund...

In fact, you can do it first turn, with Simian Spirit Guide, a few desperate rituals and a few Seething songs and of course the most important card "Dragonstorm"... But you need a Perfect Hand...
Also you need to have 8 cards in hand so you need to be second to play...


[Edited by shakii23 on 24/May/10 at 11:26PM]
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 3:41am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

oh, you don't need to go second to get a turn 1 kill... Dragonstorm is only 8R to cast... i thought it was 8RR to cast..,.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 3:51am

Lightsteel
Posts: 86
Joined: 10-May-10

By main deck is dragons, I have every dragon but 1 . Go dragonmaster outcast ^-^
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 3:28pm

Mike_D
Posts: 101
Joined: 22-Apr-10

Deathtouch kills emrakul as well. throw out an ornithopter and a basillisk collar so that you have a quick defense against him, although that anila-hater effect might screw up tha combo.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 7:20pm

CaptinFluffy
Posts: 97
Joined: 22-Feb-10

I keep Emrakul in my five color deck. My only land pull is a few Exploding Borders. Honestly, while he is overpowered, any time I manage to get him out in multiplayer I become the biggest target. Also a friend uses a Naya deck... Vagrant Plowbeasts stop Emrakul every turn for one mana.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 7:47pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

How about a Mycosynth Lattice and a targeted creature removal... will that kill Emrakul?
Date Posted: Wed May/26/10 at 9:47am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Because cards like Chime of Night and Seal of Doom aren't targeting the creature as a spell (they are triggered and activated abilities from a permanent respectively) they can legally target anything with "protection from coloured spells." Emrakul can't be targeted by instants and sorceries essentially.
Date Posted: Fri May/28/10 at 5:03pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Mike D

The use of ornithopter and basilsk collar is a great idea with only one flaw. Deathtouch will only trigger if you do combat damage. Ornithopter is a 0/1 flyer....NO DAMAGE.

Now add in any spell you want to beef up the thopter and you are in the clear.

Thopter foundry, sword of meek, and baslisk collar sounds great actually.
Date Posted: Sat May/29/10 at 1:17pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Ghostfire: Ornithopter is a 0/2 but that makes no difference.

Ephemerance: Emrakul has protection from colored spells. Seal of Doom is an ability of a colored spell, so it would kill Emrakul.
Date Posted: Sat May/29/10 at 1:55pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

turbine

since we are correcting people.  seal of doom is a colored permanent, its not a spell since it is in play, its ability would work againest emrakel just fine, which is what emhemerance said
Date Posted: Sat May/29/10 at 2:14pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Sorry. I read his post wrong.
Date Posted: Sun May/30/10 at 8:48pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Or use Mycosynth Lattice + Any colored creature removal spell, if you really want to kill Emrakul with a colored spell...


[Edited by shakii23 on 30/May/10 at 8:48PM]
Date Posted: Sun May/30/10 at 10:01pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

kill emrakuel? Ready Kumano, Master Yamabushi and Basilisk Collar and he don't come back
Date Posted: Sun May/30/10 at 10:01pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

kill emrakuel? Ready Kumano, Master Yamabushi and Basilisk Collar and he don't come back
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 2:13am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09


Date Posted: Sun Jun/13/10 at 12:12am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09





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