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I have Dragon deck in real life. It can consistently cast a Dragon turn 4. I met an old school player who said there are ways to get a dragon out Turn 2 but I'm thinking it's probably a combo and combos are not always consistant hence the nature of my combo posts). When I say consistently cast a Dragon on turn 4 I mean that and cast a dragon every turn after until I have no more dragons in my hand or until I'm satisfied that I have enough dragons on my field. If you know ways to get dragons out sooner than this and consistently then please share them with me. Here's the decklist:
Dragon Hatchling X3
Dragonspeaker Shaman X4
Hellkite Charger X3
Moonveil Dragon X3
Moltensteel Dragon X3
Utvara Hellkite X4
Claws of Valakut X4
Pyretic Ritual X3
Seething Song X3
Geosurge X3
Fury of the Horde X3
Mountain X24

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/15/13 at 7:49pm

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Ruby Medallion - 2 casting cost, red spells cost 1 less to cast.

Date Posted: Thu Aug/15/13 at 8:11pm

If I draw right that's a turn 3 Dragon but I would have to draw just right and I'm looking for consistency.

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/15/13 at 11:03pm

Splash of black? That would give you access to reanimate, and mana ramp.

There's also a disturbing lack of Dragonmaster Outcasts in your deck. Aside from giving you a weenie blocker early on, it's a consistent fre dragon per turn, per outcast.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 12:46pm

The only worthwhile ramp black would offer me is Dark Ritual which isn't necessary because I want to run Moonveil Dragon, Claws of Valakut and Fury of the Horde and the deck doesn't really need to become reanimator and that might even clog it up.
Dragonmaster Outcast would only be useful when I have six lands and the deck is already much faster than that and it would also be a target.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 4:18pm

Think a little more objectively about black - and about what I'm proposing. There are a lot of weenie creatures that can turn into mana, or cards which can turn weenies into mana. And that's the real problem here, not the Dragons aspect of it. You're left exposed for several turns, waiting for your dragons to go live. While it would be nice to be able to just pump out Dragons faster, it'd also be nice to have a perfect sense of time, to be ambidextrous, and to always have gas in your car's tank. Nice doesn't always turn out to be possible. :D The better option is to slip in early game cards into your mix.

Dragonmaster Outcast is actually perfect for your deck. It's a weenie blocker in the early game, and you can play your dragons mid-game. And unlike most weenie blockers, in the late game, it actually gets better - and in this instance, it does so in a tribal way. The fact that it's a target isn't a bad thing - that means there's one less card in your opponent's hand, when you start building up to the big beasts.

(Really, Dragonmaster Outcast is just flat-out one of the best red creatures out there).

Two other cards you should consider are Braid of Fire, and Sol Ring. If you really want to speed things up, you need mana ramp. Braid of Fire is great, and it pays off *huge* in the late game, whereas a Sol Ring on the first turn means you can play Moltensteel Dragon on turn two.

Trust me - I'm not just talking out of my ass. I play two decks, consistently (Dragons, and Angels), and one of them was very similar to yours, before I slipped in the Outcast, and some Sol Rings. It sped things up, and it doesn't tend to lose anymore. :D

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 7:46pm

M11 ruled that mana pools empty at the end of phases so Braid of Fire is useless. Sol Ring maybe but it's banned in Legacy so I'm gonna have to think about whether I'm willing to make the deck Vintage to run them.
Other than Dark Ritual black on has Blood Pet, Overeager Apprentice, Cabal Ritual and a card that says sac a creature; add BBBB to your mana pool.
Dragonmaster Outcast only works when I have 6 lands and as it is now the deck already kills no later than turn 6 and if I want a chump blocker there are better creatures I can run plus I want to be the one doing the attacking which the as it is now already does that.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 8:05pm

:D You're saying Braid of Fire is useless because it only produces escalating mana.

That's enough for me to bow out of this conversation, and not address the rest. I'd be more than glad to play my deck against yours.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 8:17pm

I'm saying that Braid of Fire only adds mana during the upkeep and the M11 rulling I quoted makes that useless.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 8:25pm

e.e

If we ever get the chance, I'd gladly play my deck against yours.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/16/13 at 10:13pm

Speaking of dragons anyone got any good ideas for 5 colored dragon edh.

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 12:14am

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5 color dragon edh is a little tricky and limited choices, stuff like rith and treva are great, but dont forget stuff like catacomb dragon and mist dragon, pearl dragon, canopy dragon and other dragons... legendary ones are usually good...

also... dont forget the enchantment that gives all dragons you control +3/+3 (crucible of fire)

and mana flare x4 is a must for a dragon deck as dragon decks are mana hungry

dragon tyrant with scion of the urdragon as a general is brutal

bladewing the risen is good too...

also... a lot of nonbasic lands are needed

Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 1:20am

Bladewing the Risen is bang-on, and tandems really well with the Scion (which I'm assuming you were talking about. :D)

Scourge of Kher Ridges is flat-out one of the best EDH cards out there, and in a Dragon deck, he's amazing.

Slumbering Dragon is an EDH masterpiece, and it encourages other players to attack your opponents, instead of you.

Keiga, the Tide Star is a good (well, okay) card outside of EDH, but in EDH multiplayer, he becomes a genuine threat. I'm not the biggest fan of creatures that have to die to trigger an ability, but it's still pretty great.

Niv, in either of his forms is great, and he gives you a draw element otherwise missing in your typical Dragon beatdown deck.

Moonveil Dragon pumps all of your dragons at once. It costs the same as your standard Firebreathing.

Anything I missed? :D

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 1:59pm

Back to the subject of this thread what ways (other than Sol Ring, don't feel like making it Vintage just for that) can I get Dragons out sooner and do it consistently because now I can cast a dragon on turn 4 every game it plays.

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 2:14pm

Slumbering Dragon. Now back to EDH. :D

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 4:04pm

the mana ramp in my edh turn 3 dragon or if im lucky turn 4 omiscience.

i have most of the lengend dragons and mana rocks.

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 4:07pm

Other Dragons for a 5 colored Dragon EDH are Balefire Dragon, Hellkite Charger (beatstick and extra attack) and Utvara Hellkite.

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Date Posted: Sat Aug/17/13 at 7:34pm

Also Acedemic when you say you want to play my deck against yours are you being smart-elic cause I can't know just from reading.

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Date Posted: Sun Aug/18/13 at 10:44am

You would get your Dragons out sooner but only cause you're playing Sol Rings in yours and I'm not which means your is Vintage while mine is just Legacy.

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Date Posted: Sun Aug/18/13 at 10:45am

Alos watch yourself cause I CAN report you to Sync.

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Date Posted: Sun Aug/18/13 at 6:08pm

looooooooooooool

Eyes rolled, don't care.

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Date Posted: Sun Aug/18/13 at 6:27pm

You did forget a legit dragon Academic. Kokusho, The Evening Star. Also, What about Kilnmouth Dragon? Can't beat a tap direct damage equal to its power to target creature/player. Seriously?

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Date Posted: Mon Aug/19/13 at 8:44pm

So...reported to Sync? Sync has not been seen in ages...aone here can see...so invalidity aside...all Academic did was suggest an option...you want feedback? Yes? Then expect some people to differ from you...No? Then don't.. ma.ke posts like this..

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Date Posted: Mon Aug/19/13 at 8:45pm

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*anyone

Date Posted: Tue Aug/20/13 at 2:27am

*slaps dying* say what you mean! you're a jester!

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Date Posted: Tue Aug/20/13 at 12:22pm

Ill tell you what I mean...if you dislike feedback...stay the fuck off the internets!

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Date Posted: Wed Aug/21/13 at 5:25pm

*sighs* I is bored...nothing to do except these RIDICULOUS "extra training videos" they make me watch on the road. Blaaa...........

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Date Posted: Wed Aug/21/13 at 9:53pm

Why not start a blog? :o That's what I'm working on...but sadly I only have one post so far... D:

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Date Posted: Wed Aug/21/13 at 10:49pm

It's not the feedback I have a problem with (all of which has been worthless to me) but there's no need or necessity to be a jerk.

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 12:21am

How is adding outcast useless? Seems like common sense to me...

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 4:25am

How about you stick your dumb jerk opinions up your ass?

My ideas are fucking fantastic, and you're a dumb spaz.

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 3:31pm

Hmm let's see Acedemic you've only offered Sol Ring (would make it Vintage), Braid of Fire (now useless) and as for Dragonmaster Outcast I need 6 lands to make it work and I will have already won the game no later than turn 6.

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 6:28pm

You die in the early game! Get some early game power!

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 6:51pm

As the deck is now I can get a Dragon out Turn 4 so while I might take a few weinie rush hits I'll get my Dragons out and stabalize plus if I need some early game power I have Claws of Valukut and Dragon Hatchling.

And I'll say it again the deck as it is now will get a Dragon out Turn 4 and win no later than Turn 6.

Plus there are some cases where I can get a Dragon out Turn 3.

The deck does all this consistantly.

[Edited by Narcinek War-Rider on 22/Aug/13 at 6:52PM]

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 8:31pm

Next time, skip asking questions about any topic. And while you're at it, maybe skip talking about what should go in a deck, too. Your deck wouldn't go anywhere near the distance with mine - and the fact that you're pretty much blind to how amazing the Dragonmaster Outcast is (and why it's custom made for dragon decks) kind of speaks volumes as to the value of your opinions.

Narcinek, you are a fucking idiot, and you're acting like a cunt. /:D

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 9:00pm

Academic you're thinking power in the long run and I'm thinking speed. The only reason I can think of as to why you are dissing MY Dragon deck is that you don't really believe the description of it and what it's capable of. YOUR Dragon deck seems to rely too much on Dragon Master Outcast (too slow), Braid of Fire (now useless) and Sol Ring (makes it faster but at the same time makes it Vintage). Why don't YOU present YOUR decklist so I can appraise it because your deck sounds slow.

P.S. I reported you.

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Date Posted: Thu Aug/22/13 at 11:45pm

Wow, there is a lot of stupid in that, for being only one comment. But hey, let's break it down.

"Academic you're thinking power in the long run and I'm thinking speed."

No,goof, *I'm thinking speed, and you're thinking out of your ass. The purpose of the Outcast isn't just to get a dragon on turn (six? Jesus, your decks run slow). And it's pretty clear by now that you're not smart enough to understand that - which leads into your next stupid comment!

"The only reason I can think of as to why you are dissing
MY Dragon deck is that you don't really believe the description of it
and what it's capable of. "

Originally, I wasn't dissing your dragon deck, as it's pretty much the same as my dragon deck (which I'd said before, when you started your little spaz-out). So, you're dumb, and you also have problems with reading comprehension. And that's indicated in the next dumb fucking thing you've said!

"YOUR Dragon deck seems to rely too much on Dragon Master
Outcast (too slow), Braid of Fire (now useless) and Sol Ring (makes it
faster but at the same time makes it Vintage)"

My decklist is basically the same as your decklist, you fucking functional illiterate! /:D But then you go and say a one-drop is too goddamned slow?

You're a fucking moron, and don't deserve to own cards.

You also manage to point out something else that's pretty fucking great - you started spazzing out over stupid shit you didn't bother to mention in the original post - such as the fucking format you were running, or (oh, I don't know) what cards wouldn't work.

"Why don't YOU present YOUR decklist so I can appraise it because your deck sounds slow."

Sure, you stupid, stupid fuck.

Dragon Hatchling *3
Dragonspeaker Shaman *4
Dragonmaster Outcast *4
Moonveil Dragon *3
Moltensteel Dragon *3
Utvara Hellkite *3
Claws of Valakut *4
Pyretic Ritual *3
Seething Song *3
Geosurge *3
Fury of the Horde *3
Mountain *23

Because I run basically the same deck as you you stupid, stupid fuck - and unlike you, I can deal with the first few rounds without putting myself at risk.

Now, let's get down to the brass tacks.

"P.S. I reported you."

Cool.

No, seriously, cool. I'm completely okay with this. Before this thread, I never really talked to you, Narcinek. To be honest, I barely noticed you. But I was always polite, and when you asked for insight in this thread, I politely added my two cents.

And then you acted like a fucking asshole.

And I remained jovial - right up until it was clear that you weren't going to smarten the fuck up. You acted like a shithead, and started something, and you want to solve it by telling the mod to finish what you started?

Somehow, I don't think that mod's going to have your back - or respect you much for your actions. Nevermind the fact that Sync hasn't show up here in ages, or hasn't intervened in more important issues than the fact that you're being an obnoxious prick to someone who was trying to help you out. Even if he shows up, I tried to be polite to you, and you decided you needed to act like a shitheel.

And my response is kind of what happens when you act like a shitheel.

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[Edited by Academic on 22/Aug/13 at 11:46PM]

Date Posted: Fri Aug/23/13 at 12:22am

Look Academic I'll admit that both of us could have behaved better. As for the things that Ive said I'll admit I was wrong AND it's late in my timezone when I said them and I am kinda tired.

But if your deck is the same then it should function just like mine (only difference is Dragonmaster Outcast) and like me you should win on turn 5 or 6.

Which also means that if your deck does just fine then mine is to in which case I never needed to post this thread.

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/23/13 at 3:00am

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/23/13 at 3:01am

Chewy

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Date Posted: Fri Aug/23/13 at 3:01am

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LOL!

Date Posted: Sun Sep/01/13 at 12:59pm

imprint counterspell i win

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/01/13 at 1:44pm

Okay auron now you're just being a dick. And I'll repeat since Academic's deck is the same and does just fine then MY deck is just fine as well which means I didn't need to post this thread at all.

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/01/13 at 2:17pm

sry i missed the arguement and wanted post something.

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/01/13 at 2:52pm

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DOUBLE LOL!

Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 1:05am

I'll post anyway. My shadow or goblin deck has you dead turn 4 before your precious dragons ever take flight. Too bad cockatrice is gone or I'd o
Prove it to you. If you can't defend yourself from "wennie" early game rush, you never see late game. Plain and simple. 20 year veteran of the game.

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Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 11:19am

This deck is merely casual anyway. I'm not really worried. At the casual table my decks actually excel plus I have a Modern deck that will own any of the top Modern Meta decks.

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Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 12:10pm

I'ma just take this moment to point out that I acted in a perfectly acceptable fashion, considering what I was having to deal with.

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Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 2:12pm

And I'm gonna say that I could have reacted better. And I will once again say that Braid of Fire is now useless because mana empties at the end of each phase.

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Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 10:55pm

OMG this is still going on LOL.

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Date Posted: Sat Sep/28/13 at 11:08pm

Yes it is because some people lack the maturity to let little squirmishes like this go.

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/29/13 at 1:46am

and your the one that keeps relpying to those people LOL why do u feed the chaos.

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/29/13 at 10:11am

I'm just trying to lay it to rest.

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Date Posted: Sun Sep/29/13 at 10:52am

Showing emotion leads to chaos...chaos is is heresy....may the warp look you over and I pray Slaanesh never finds you...Angelus Domini...

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Date Posted: Mon Sep/30/13 at 1:54am

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being able to cast consistant dragons from turn 4 is great... but not so great if they arent any good... the trick here is to balance out power to mana... and make sure you stuff a few more lands into the deck...

ive had a few dragon decks over the year... i think the first one i built was back when mirage first came out

the first real good dragon deck i made, was when the two-headed dragon came out in mercadian masks

i have these in my current dragon deck and more... (quantity of these are not listed on purpose)including some of these cards:

fledgling dragon
koth of the hammer (to help you get more mana faster)
kargan dragonlord (not a dragon, but it will help defend you from the
quick-casted creatures, and can be a mana sink for un-needed mana
to make a distracting beat-stick)
hellkite charger
wheel of fate (for when you are about to run out of cards)
dragon tyrant
crucible of fire
mana flare
hoard smelter dragon
two headed dragon
ancient hellkite
valkut the molten pinnacle
dragonmaster outcast (to make many dragons over time)
destructive force (wont hurt dragons overly much once you get crucible)
dragonstorm (cant make a good dragon deck without at least one of
these... immensely powerful card)
seething song (faster mana)
dragonspeaker shaman
nalathni dragon (just because i can)
pillage and stone rain (for some land kill... to help keep opponent from
using your mana flare much)
earthquake (doesnt touch dragons, as they fly)
ryusei the falling star
moonveil dragon (a must! super efficient for dragon decks)
dragon mage
winds of change (for when you have a crap hand)
dragon roost
tarox bladewing
priest of urabrask (why not, almost free creature)
blasphemous act (to get rid of swarms of creatures for free or near
free)
knollspine dragon
mass hysteria
taurean mauler
imperial hellkite
scourge of kher ridges (what isnt to like about this one... )
soulblast (for those pesky times when a wrath of god hits... )
rage reflection (what is a dragon deck without some rage... :P )
zirilian of the claw (to get the tyrants to hit for serious damage
earlier... plus, need a legendary if you decide to make it edh
later... :P
kilnmouth dragon (i shouldnt need to say why... )

plus a couple other surprises for those who face my deck...

*hint* it involves a board wipe that leaves me with almost everything in place... but almost nothing (if anything) left on my opponents sides... including hand and graveyard, land, library, lands, creatures, artifacts and a ton of exile.. :P

Date Posted: Fri Oct/04/13 at 11:38am

Thanks but I realize now that my Dragon deck is just fine. The only way to make it faster would be to make it Vintage and the deck does just fine as is and doesn't really need to be modified. Here's my new list, slightly edited.

Dragon Hatchling X3
Dragonspeaker Shaman X4
Hellkite Charger X3
Moonviel Dragon X3
Molten Steel Dragon X3
Utvara Hellkite X4

Claws of Valakut X4
Pyretic Ritual X3
Seething Song X3
Geosurge X4
Fury of the Horde X3
Gratuitous Violence X3 (for LOLS)

Mountain X20

Two more things

1.The only way Dragonmaster Outcast is effectively playable is when running land ramp such as Khalni Heart Expedition, Harrow, Cultivate, Explore, Rampant Growth and Explosive Vegetation. And I say that cuase it was printed in Zendikar Block which one of the main aspects of that block was land ramp.

2. Both me and Academic could have behaved better.

This deck is plenty fast enough considering it's not Vintage andit does just fine the way it is. AS for running more lands considering the Ramp I'm doing 20 is a good enough number and I know that through playing it and it working.

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Date Posted: Fri Oct/04/13 at 1:01pm

I behaved entirely appropriately, and escalated appropriately, too. Deal with it.

-And, apparently, you still don't understand the utility of the Dragonmaster Outcast. -/edit-

[Edited by Academic on 4/Oct/13 at 1:03PM]

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Date Posted: Fri Oct/04/13 at 3:13pm

In this deck a 5/5 Dragon token on turn 7 which I've already won by then and if I need early game power I have Dragon Hatchling and I can put Claws of Valakut on it or Dragonspeaker Shaman.

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Date Posted: Fri Oct/04/13 at 4:08pm

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Date Posted: Sat Oct/05/13 at 7:06pm