Title: stop editing my language

Actually, it is. You fell asleep in English class and never woke up.

"Ok, I have officially gotten irritated over people editing my words on my rants. It's not like you guys are absolutely lost on what I am saying, so I will ask very nicely. Please stop editing my posts if you know what I'm saying. Seriously, this isn't f***ing English class in high school."

(With a censor for our younger audiences.)

EDIT: You do realize that this will give me the urge to rewrite all of your comments correctly. XD

But I'll suppress it.

[Edited by Turbine on 19/Nov/12 at 9:23PM]

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/19/12 at 10:35pm

Some people are just OCD about spelling man...others...well they feel it makes them look smarter than most other people...I'd just let the OCD people off with a shrug, because you know...everybody has their hangups...the people that wanna look smart? Well take joy in the fact that all they're really doing is looking incredibly foolish...And there is a third type...it is called the troll...which is something we have here, but they are mostly family friendly...like me...

;D

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/19/12 at 10:59pm

The easiest way to win an argument is to prove the other person is wrong. It doesn't matter if you are right, just that everyone knows your opponent is wrong.

Logically before we can even begin to delve into the meaning of your sentence, we must be familiar with the spelling of each word you use (for they lead us to the definitions). If it is an incorrect spelling, and we already disagree with something you have said, all we need to do to "win" is to prove that your spelling is wrong. There is no other thinking required.

Think of this as training for the real world. You wouldn't talk to your superior (elder, coach, drill instructor, boss, father-in-law, etc.) the way you are here. Those people would have your head on a platter. Hence by people like Turbine weeding out your typing inaccuracies and making you more capable of dealing with those people.

You are welcome.

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 2:52am

gais im lyk, sooooo OCD wth mah speling!

*sarcasm*

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 11:49am

It's Raine. Same illiteracy, same self-importance, same spazzing. Same 'do as I say not as I do ('I'm telling you to stop telling me to do things') attitude. Same resistance to people telling him to be better than he is.

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Cry less, and be better than you are.

Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 11:54am

auron

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Archdemon....

You are in high school.
Stop complaining it's not that hard to check your grammar and spelling.

Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 12:04pm

auron

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Academic...

It's not raine.

Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 1:03pm

Well, since the other 'brand new' semi-illiterate dork (who joined days after Raine RAN AWAY FOREVER [in a spectacular fit of sexism, spazzing, stupid, and illiteracy]) is telling me that the spazzing dork isn't Raine, I'll surely trust his insight. /:D

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I'm not the first to suggest that one of you two is Raine, nerddork. But okay. ^_^

Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 1:17pm

Given the display of hostility given to Raine...

I'd say it's not abnormal for people of the male persuasion to be defensive about things...

After all sexism is a terrible thing...but then again...what isn't?

We are all morally wrong...we are all flawed you know...

Why even our existence...be it spiritual or evolution...is one grand mistake...

Our knowledge brings nothing but more clever ways to kill...

Our bodies slowly break down and wither...leaving loved ones to weep for us...

It's a shame that the truth is considered ugly...because I love it so much...like a beautiful woman I know who I told didn't need to wear make up ever...

I love my morally unjust thoughts...oh the things I've fantasized about doing...so many, many, many things...they would fear my name for eternity...

But alas I have found a different path you know...

But make no mistake...my message rings true...

Every last person here is far, far, far from perfect...in EVERY sense of the way...

But alas...I have a song for all of you...I will be posting it shortly...

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 1:21pm

I could be sane...I could be psychotic...you know I could be just like you...NehehhehehahahahhaHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAH

It's funny...cause it's true...

>:D

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 2:30pm

Here's why you should spell correctly.

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 2:31pm

No Jester, that's wrong, and please don't try and frame things like that. This didn't have anything to do with his 'male persuasion', until he threatened to assault a woman over magic cards. And then he went out of his way to dismiss and belittle women in general. And then he tried to use his characterization of weak women to justify his actions in the first place.
Anyone who wants to claim their being persecuted for their gender after they pull that shit is fucking terrible. Period. If he'd have pulled that shit as a white person targeting blacks, or as a heterosexual targeting gays, there wouldn't be any discussion as to whether or not the hostility was deserved. That only ever seems to happen when it's about whether a man deserves hostility for treating a woman like shit. It's wrong, and allowing a middle ground on this only benefits the bigots.

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 3:16pm

I see you misunderstand me...Please don't take offense...the statement is not about any one person...or at least I hope nobody is taking things THAT seriously on a website about mtgcombos...but seeing as the vast majority of magic players are male...it is no doubt something that can be assumed based on a few simple facts...

Fact # 1 : It is a stereotype that most men are sexist...

Fact # 2 : Most men tend to have a delusional sense of self worth to them... (As a matter of fact a few studies show that the majority of the average male population has an exaggerated sense of self worth).

Fact # 3 : Most people who are openly sexist are treated in a hostile manner (I.E. Raine, Kethiju, ect...)

Furthermore I'm talking about Archedemon's defensive manner on this. He actually asks nicely...He never once says anything offensive...I was pulling up examples of hostile people...

BUT

The one thing we will have to agree to disagree on, dearest Academic...is the fact that I am for ending arguments...I don't care about who said what...If two tribes fight over a grove how do you solve it? Compromise? HA! Humans are terrible at compromise...to solve the problem...burn it to the ground...soak it in gasoline and light a match...reduce it to ashes...

THAT

Is the only way to end an argument...burn it to the ground...and let nothing remain...

It's funny you know?

That the only way this world will ever know absolute peace...

Is to burn it to the ground...

That is the only way we can achieve peace...

And given that the goal of real world peace is an impossibility...

Why not try to achieve it in at least a small website?

TELL ME WHY?!

I can't remember many moments in my life...

Where my peace hasn't been defiled to no end...

Domestic violence tore my whole d@mned family apart...

I know all about what humans are capable of...

CONFLICT!

THRICE DAMNED CONFLICT!

THEY ONLY HAVE A FEW F@#KING DECADES TO LIVE!

And yet all they can do is cause conflict and fuel it!

So you can say what you want about me...

Say I'm biased...say I choose sides...

But the only thing I'll see is someone trying to start an argument with me...

I'll smile, tell you to have a nice day...and then...I'll let you burn everything down if you wish...by all means continue fueling the fire...CONFLICT...I'll let it burn out...to nothing...a meaningless ash pile of mere WORDS...

That is what I'm advocating...arguments aren't for winning...they are for destroying...wipe the conflict away...until there is nothing left to do but laugh at how silly it is to argue...

THAT IS THE MESSAGE I'M TRYING TO SEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want to make everybody smile...nothing more...don't we all have enough drama in our lives?

Why do we need to ruin our online safe haven from it all?

Why do we bring these senseless conflicts here?

WHY EVEN START AN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!

ARE YOU JUST THAT HATEFUL!?

AT WHAT POINT DOES ANY NORMAL OR INSANE PERSON EVEN CONSIDER IT!!!!!!!??????

So there you have it...that is the reason I'll continue trying to derail every argument...I will try my best to stop it...and I will keep trying...no matter what it takes...

And if Sync ever decides to seriously consider the old moderator applications...I would delete every last argument post before it even became a problem...

THIS IS A FRIENDLY COMMUNITY! CRASS LANGUAGE IS OKAY TO A POINT...BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS DAYS ON END FLAME WAR ARGUING NONSENSE!!!

A wise man does not seek conflict...a wise man seeks the end of conflict...

And if the wise can be foolish?

Why can't this fool also be wise?

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 3:19pm

Oh and I'll save a few of you the trouble of posting TL;DR

My name is (Insert username here)

This post is too long...so rather than skip it...I think you should know something...

It was too long...I did not read it...somehow this has become a 'thing'

not sure how or why...but all the cool forums are doing it...so yeah...

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/20/12 at 5:11pm

Just embrace the conflict, Jester. It's an inherent piece of people, and the only answer is to join the conflict. Don't fight against the flow, the natural order of things.

Never join conflict with anger in mind though. Embrace conflict with the understanding that you are right, and that those around you are inevitably wrong. They can't be changed. However, the fun in life is forcing people to comprehend the depths of their incorrectness with the fear that they will never be able to change who they are.

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 1:20am

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I'm feeling like my two cents should be thrown into the ring. (And that, children, is why we don't mix metaphors.)

When I am part of a conflict, I ALWAYS try to figure out why the other person thinks what they do. Often, it's just a deep-seated belief that has no real explanation. I will be the first to admit I have my convictions that have no rational origin. If the other person seems totally intractable, I offer to agree to disagree and move on. If they refuse, very often that person is simply looking for SELFISH attention, and the fastest way to win is simply to ignore the person. If they attack back, stay defensive and make it public. This has helped me more times than I can count, and it almost, but not quite, happened here.

I disagree that the best way to end a conflict is to let it burn out. All that leaves is angry people and a pile of ashes. Those ashes are often the charred remains of hope, dignity, and self-confidence. When a person burns in their own fire, as hunter_raine did at the end, nothing is left, and it makes no sense to add more gasoline and hate. I admit I stayed out when I could have helped put out the fire, and I regret that. The Jester, through many forms, has helped put out many fires here, but I must disagree. The conflict fire consumes those in it, and the best way to end it is to pull them out.

I don't know if this is worth anything, but maybe it might help someone.

Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 2:02am

Kethiju

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Just to put my 2 cents in, I'm not openly sexist. I just have nothing but contempt for Academic. I don't care what she thinks she's worth. She is valueless and useless to me. She will NEVER have an impact on my life in any way shape or form. Do I despise her because she's female? No. Not in the least. She is a holier than thou stuck up little girl. My opinion of a single bag of meat that is up walking around spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Academic, if you want to flame, save it. Not one person gives a single solitary fuck what you have to say. :) Have a nice day.

Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 3:15am

I withdraw my statement about using Kethiju as an example then, I apologize for that Kethiju...I thought I'd chased away another site member (THOUGH I GUESS I'VE GOT SOME GREAT TEACHERS WOULDN'T YOU SAY!?)

I'm glad to see somebody is willing to let things go...

And as far as pulling them out of the fire, Otheruy...

Heheh...heheheh...HEHEHEHHEHAHAHAHHAHH!

I will do my best in the future, otherguy...I promise that much...but if they don't want to be saved...I'll gladly dig a ditch around them to stop them from burning anything else down...If push comes to shove...I will gladly laugh as they burn away...

That is how I lost my hate you know?

It all started at a little place called HOPE BAPTIST CHRISTIAN SCHOOL!

Funny...

I learned hate in the oddest of places ya know?

They taught me to honor that book's ways...

THEY did not...

So when I'd had enough of the crap...

At grade 6 I did request...

A knife to stab a person...

I did quite detest...

They kicked me out...heheheh...smart move on their part...

I went to a public school after that...you know the type of place...poorly funded...gangster wannabes...and the lot...

They taught me something...something different...

Psychotic behavior...

They taught me how to look another human in the eyes with a blade and say such fun things...

"I had a dog like you once...but then I had to put it down..."

"How's about a blade to match that sharp wit of yours?"

"I wish you'd stop harassing me...you get my point?"

I never got harassed anymore...I made friends...the good kind...

They taught me some of life's best things...

How to fight...

How to cheat...

How to steal...

How to lie...

And then...how none of that crap really matters...

So yeah...I may say twisted things...

I may juggle a pair of knives sometimes...

But at least I'm not hateful anymore...

I'm just a burnt out little jester of hatred...and I don't want anybody to take a trip down the road I'm on...

*Bows*

AUDIENCE: OH YOU SUCK! YOU CALL THIS A COMEDY CLUB?

*Lifts up a large wooden stick* "No, I'd say this is a comedy CLUB! NEHHEHEHEHAHHAHAHAHHAH!"

*Screams and police sirens fill the air, as one particular Jester walks away whistling a merry tune*

"You know I'd say they didn't like my act...and I thought I had a poor sense of humor..."

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 3:49am

Oh, I'd never let you off easy with a tl;dr. You've said some rude, evil things here that need to be dismantled.
"Fact # 1 : It is a stereotype that most men are sexist..."
Maybe. What's not a stereotype is that non-feminist men don't challenge other sexist men, mostly because they're benefiting from an environment that places a man's status ahead of a woman's by virtue of being male alne.

"Fact # 2 : Most men tend to have a delusional sense of self worth to them... (As a matter of fact a few studies show that the majority of the average male population has an exaggerated sense of self worth)."
There are studies that prove that the second fact in every list of three facts is purely rhetoric.
(Not really, but saying 'there are studies that say stuff that back up my assertions' without providing those studies is misleading rhetoric. The anti-male sexism is a nice touch, though.)
"Fact # 3 : Most people who are openly sexist are treated in a hostile manner (I.E. Raine, Kethiju, ect...)"
They should be. The fact is, they really aren't. Most people would rather tolerate that sort of scummy behaviour than rock the boat.

"The one thing we will have to agree to disagree on, dearest Academic..."
"In public situations, however, women are also often addressed by such words as dear(ie), darl', darling, sweetie, love and so on. This treatment is not generally extended to men. The practice of using endearments for women who are unknown to the speaker or in situations that do not call for such intimacy should be avoided as it is condescending and sometimes insulting to women."
From Sexism in Language, Xiaolan Lei, Northwest Polytechnic University, China

http://www.jllonline.co.uk/journal/5_1/5LingLei.pdf

"is the fact that I am for ending arguments...I don't care about who said what...If two tribes fight over a grove how do you solve it? Compromise? HA! Humans are terrible at compromise...to solve the problem...burn it to the ground...soak it in gasoline and light a match...reduce it to ashes...THAT is the only way to end an argument...burn it to the ground...and let nothing remain..."
That's definitely foolish, if being foolish is your gimmick. However, the foundation of science is in proving people wrong - and those proven wrong conceding their errors - so what I'm saying is your broad generalizations are wrong. Again.

"It's funny you know?

That the only way this world will ever know absolute peace...
Is to burn it to the ground...

That is the only way we can achieve peace...
And given that the goal of real world peace is an impossibility..."
Staggering sentences...
And typing ellipses is fun...
But seriously, this is rhetoric...
Existing only so that you can make this next point...
"Why not try to achieve it in at least a small website?"
Not at the expense of having someone treat me like shit, or belittle me because I was born XX. Fuck that, and it's gross to imply that I should.

"TELL ME WHY?!"
CAPS AND INTERROBANGS MAKE THINGS IMPORTANT?!

"I can't remember many moments in my life...Where my peace hasn't been defiled to no end...Domestic violence tore my whole damned family apart..."
That's not cool, and I'm not going to make light of abuse.

"I know all about what humans are capable of...
CONFLICT!

THRICE DAMNED CONFLICT!"

Okay, you actually using archaic terms like 'thrice damned' is making this a lot harder to take you seriously. And again, CAPS MAKE THINGS MORE IMPORTANT!!!! But aside from that, stop with the broad generalizations.

"THEY ONLY HAVE A FEW FUCKING DECADES TO LIVE!
And yet all they can do is cause conflict and fuel it!"

Fuck your implication that conflict is the problem. Only a fucking coward runs from inconvenient conflict. Especially when the conflict is centered around bigotry.
"So you can say what you want about me..."No. I want to say all sorts of undeserved hateful shit about you. Instead, I'm going to stick with provable facts.

"Say I'm biased...say I choose sides..."
No, you're worse than that. You're enabling bigots by refusing to side with those against bigotry. Out of a fear of conflict.

"But the only thing I'll see is someone trying to start an argument with me..."
Then you're being deliberately fucking ignorant. There is no argument here. I take back the thing about not picking sides. You've firmly decided to enable bigots by dismissing people with correct opinions as 'someone trying to start an argument'.

There shouldn't be an argument. The conversation should go:

Me: "Bigotry is gross!"
You: "I find that hard to disagree with! It IS gross!"
-end of conversation, no argument-
Instead, you're implying there some manner of valid point to sexist bigotry. There isn't. And there's no middle ground here - there's no fence for you to sit on.
"I'll smile, tell you to have a nice day..."
You'll act like you're in a position to condescend, despite the fact that you're enabling sexist pricks.
"and then...I'll let you burn everything down if you wish...by all means continue fueling the fire...CONFLICT...I'll let it burn out...to nothing..."
Quit fucking dismissing anti-sexist actions as meaningless conflict, you fucking strawman. It's only meaningless to you because you were born in a society that benefits you by gender alone. It's only meaningless to you because you'd benefit more from the status quo.
"
a meaningless ash pile of mere WORDS..."

Feminists have managed to change Western culture by changing how people use words. The fact that you'd dismiss the power of words is very, very telling.
"That is what I'm advocating...arguments aren't for winning...they are for destroying...wipe the conflict away...until there is nothing left to do but laugh at how silly it is to argue..."
Well, what you're advocating is the status quo, which is a society which is comfortable treating women like crap. So, you're wrong, and if you don't lose that sort of attitude, you are okaying open bigotry, so long as no one rocks the boat.
And before you go 'no, not me, I'd never do that', I'd like to point out that your role in every one of these arguments has included some manner of condescending 'both sides have valid points' (or worse, 'both sides are wrong') argument, despite the fact that I was arguing for the fair treatment of people irrespective of gender and my opponent was arguing that I should shut up because I'm a dumb fucking little girl.

"THAT IS THE MESSAGE I'M TRYING TO SEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
FUCK YOUR BIGOTRY-TOLERANT MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111oneoneone

"I just want to make everybody smile...nothing more..."
Cool. Start with me. Tell bigots to stop being bigots. Be better than a bigot. Then I will smile.
"don't we all have enough drama in our lives?"

It's not 'drama' to say 'don't treat me like shit'. Period.
"Why do we need to ruin our online safe haven from it all?"

D:<

You're right. I should just let people ruin the 'safe haven' for me, and let a sexist prick treat me like shit. Or rather by 'right', I mean you're 'completely wrong', and fuck anyone advocating a safe haven for bigotry.
"Why do we bring these senseless conflicts here?"

Because some people here will tolerate bigotry, apparently.
"WHY EVEN START AN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!"
I've already answered this. Women are sick of being told to shut up and take the abuse (like you're doing). Sexists and enablers expect women to do that, and it's shitty.
"ARE YOU JUST THAT HATEFUL!?"
...

...
...You asshole.

You stupid fucking asshole.

"So there you have it...that is the reason I'll continue trying to derail every argument...I will try my best to stop it...and I will keep trying...no matter what it takes..."
I WILL SHUT DOWN ALL ANTI-BIGOTRY DEBATES BECAUSE I FEAR ALL CONFLICT are you fucking serious?

"And if Sync ever decides to seriously consider the old moderator applications...I would delete every last argument post before it even became a problem..."
If Sync ever does reinstate sub-mods, I'm going to bring this whole conversation to his attention, because you should never have that kind of power, and I would rather have Shlig in control of the place than you. At least he has the courage to rock the boat.
"THIS IS A FRIENDLY COMMUNITY! CRASS LANGUAGE IS OKAY TO A POINT...BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS DAYS ON END FLAME WAR ARGUING NONSENSE!!!"
THIS IS A FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND IF YOU CAN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP AND ACCEPT BIGOTRY THEN YOU CAN FUCK OFF are you fucking serious?
And there you go again, dismissing sexism as 'nonsense'. Go fuck yourself. I have to live with sexist bigotry almost daily, and I want a 'safe haven' from it. And I'm willing to fight for that, which is a damn sight better than you'll ever do.
"A wise man does not seek conflict...a wise man seeks the end of conflict..."
Because a man, wise or not, benefits more from keeping his mouth shut and his head down than from actually standing up for something.
"And if the wise can be foolish? Why can't this fool also be wise?"

Because wisdom is the consequence of taking action. And you adamantly reject that. By your own repeated admission, you reject that.
For what it's worth, I have learned from this conflict, Jester. I've learned that no matter what, you're going to brush all of this off, and keep on tolerating bigotry. You'll condescendingly "smile, [and tell me] to have a nice day...", and keep on trying to shut down discussions that actually matter because you can't handle conflict.
And then I'm guessing Turbine will post pony pictures.
Shit like this is why I'm the only open female poster here.

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 4:01am

Wow...nothing I've said has been trying to insult you...

You've been one of the nicer members on here Academic...

Sorry you feel that way...bummer...

D:

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 4:10am

....That's actually something that bothered me the whole time, Jester. I don't think of you as a bigot, but you're saying a lot of things that encourage bigots to double down their behaviours.
Thank you for taking the time to read that. I know it was a lot of text, and I know I'd said some hurtful things in there to get the point across, but if there's anyone who I think cares about this place enough to make things better, you're it. I needed those points to hit home.

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 4:15am

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[Edited by Dyingjester on 21/Nov/12 at 4:16AM]

Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 4:17am

You are correct...I suppose a little...force is required...

Very well...Academic...

I shall try my best...not to let ya down!

;3

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 4:27am

:D Thank you.

[Edited by Academic on 21/Nov/12 at 4:37AM]

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 2:29pm

Well, since Turbine won't do it...I'll go ahead and do it...

PONIES! :D

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 5:23pm

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 5:23pm

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 6:13pm

I stick by what I said earlier. You are indeed better than spamming, others can attest to this.

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 7:28pm

Oh, I'm sorry for not being here earlier.

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/55vLV.png> alt="Pinkamena" height="700" width="600">

Here's my views on the topic of sexism on the Internet. People on the Internet are genderless. It matters not what gender they are, as the topics we speak of pertain not to topics of sex.

Revealing that you are female is just an invitation for chauvinists and bigots to attack you. I understand that you are angry how people treat you for whom you are. At the current moment though, there's nothing that we can do about it. There are no moderators, and no person to slap the hands of troublemakers. You have to understand the consequences of your actions. That being said, if there ever are moderators put into the website in the future, they should deal with those people.

Why are you attacking Jester? His name reflects him perfectly. He just enjoys his fun. Also, you "stick with provable facts", yet this is very clearly an emotional topic, one which cannot be boiled down to facts. He's trying to save our website from anger and hatred.

You claim that people need to be punished for their actions, but you forget. This is the Internet. People say what they want when they want, and there's not much of a way to stop them, unless you want to censor the Internet, but that's another discussion. It takes two to tango, and your arguing is making their opinions seem like a valid refutable point.

What I'm saying is, don't incite conflict where it isn't necessary. If you feel like women are treated unfairly (which from my experience, they aren't), go talk about it in a community that actually will care about, for example, your government.

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Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 8:20pm

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@schlig: LOL

Date Posted: Wed Nov/21/12 at 8:24pm

So I got an idea. Take Kethiju and Academic and put them in a room with a single bladed weapon in it. The person who walks out wins. :) I'll be in the room too. With a knife...in my pocket...I'll give the loser last rites in latin...or whatever.

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Date Posted: Thu Nov/22/12 at 8:31pm

So, someone decided to have an opinion without bothering to read the full conversation.
Turbine, first off - fuck you. Telling a woman that she needs to hide her gender online is tantamount to accepting that being a woman online is an action deserving of shame. No empty rhetoric platitudes excuse that statement. And saying that things should stay that way 'just because that's the way it is' is pathetic. Legitimately. It's the same justification that (otherwise non-bigotted) people have used to justify date rape, racial segregation, and religious persecution. No, I will not just shut up and take it because 'it is what it is'. The implication that I should is more than just intellectually -edit- lazy -/edit- - it's morally inexcusable.
My (accurate) accusation of intellectual laziness is reinforced when you ask why I attacked Jester - it flat-out says that you didn't bother to actually read the post. The whole message behind the post was 'It's provably shitty when otherwise non-bigotted people condone bigotry just because it doesn't negatively impact themselves, personally".
I'm not even going to consider the alternative, that you'd read all that and decided that you just want to keep on condoning bigotry. I don't believe that a human being is capable of that sort of shitty ignorance.
Because of my vitriol, Jester actually read my post. He conceded that my points were correct. And he earned my respect by not having to chest thump or act like a prick afterwards. He let his thoughts on the matter evolve. I honestly believe he learned from our conversation, and I know he's a better human being after everything (really, he earned my respect, thoroughly). That is what happens when intellectually honest people debate. And that's the reason this sort of debate needs to happen online - because despite your very ill-informed protestations to the otherwise, you can in fact reach other people through this medium.
Fuck you, undergrad, for equating my right to be treated equitably to 'causing conflict'. The conflict happens because you refuse to take the right side of the argument - it happens because you're not good (or right) enough to tell a bigot to stop being a bigot.
Stop blaming the victims. Instead of telling me to stop being a girl online, grow a spine, and start telling other guys to knock off their sexism. "Oh, I can't change things" is lazy, wrong, and stupid.

[Edited by Academic on 22/Nov/12 at 9:46PM]

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Date Posted: Thu Nov/22/12 at 9:28pm

You seem to be under the assumption that the Internet is the same as real life. It isn't.

Let's say that I reveal that I am a pedophile. You would feel inclined to hate me for being a pedophile, right? Therefore, I would remain silent as to stop from fostering angry feelings toward me.

But wait! Isn't that just hiding the way that I am? Isn't that saying that you are shameful just for being what you are? Yes, yes it is. However, society has deemed that certain traits in people are unacceptable.

I see that you are trying to evoke an emotional response in me. I'm not certain what makes you so secure in your superiority to everyone else, but I'm not appreciating it. Is that the only worthwhile part of your personality is your intelligence? That seems to be the only thing that you care about, considering you call yourself "Academic", you refer to me as "ill-informed" and "undergrad", and you feel the need to start arguments on the Internet, where there's no way you can lose in an argument against us, people who I could only imagine you calling "heathen".

I'm a nihilist, and as such, I don't believe in inherent "right" or "wrong". There is no "right" side to an argument, as every argument is subjective. Personally, I think that every person should be treated equally, but I doubt you would agree with that. You don't seem to be much of a fan of equality, due to your belief that there is always a "right" side of the argument.

I conclude that you aren't even trying to change my opinions. I guess I'm just too much lower than you. If you were, then you would have used logical arguments instead of an Ad Hominem fallacy.

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Date Posted: Fri Nov/23/12 at 12:38am

It is true when it comes to an old proverb.

Bad things happen when good people stand around and do nothing about it...but prehaps read my proposition?

I think all will find it well enough...

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Date Posted: Fri Nov/23/12 at 12:40am

I think you are both sorely misinformed about what I took from Academic's statement...

No offense...

^_^

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Date Posted: Fri Nov/23/12 at 12:54am

You just compared being a woman to being a pedophile.
You just did this in an A-to-B fashion, you stupid myopic fucking asshole.

You know what, I'm not even going to dismiss you for having that vile and contemptible opinion. I am going to answer you with more legitimate, logically sound arguments than you deserve. Even if you're going to tl;dr it, maybe someone else can learn from your bullshit.

"You seem to be under the assumption that the Internet is the same as real life. It isn't."
This is all real life, idiot. You are not dreaming that you are defending horrible sexist diatribe - you did not pretend that you just compared being a woman to being a pedophile. You did these things. And that's very real.

"Let's say that I reveal that I am a pedophile."
I'd say 'stop raping children, asshole'. Because people have no right to be child rapists.

"You would feel inclined to hate me for being a pedophile, right?"
Yes, because people have no right to rape children.

"Therefore, I would remain silent as to stop from fostering angry feelings toward me."
I'd rather pedophiles didn't. Pedophiles who act like cowards because of actions they've taken deserve the hate they're avoiding. Because people have no right to rape children.
"But wait! Isn't that just hiding the way that I am? Isn't that saying that you are shameful just for being what you are? Yes, yes it is."
...Because acting like you have the right to rape children is shameful.
"However, society has deemed that certain traits in people are unacceptable."
Women are alike to pedophiles because people treat both like shit.
Fuck you, you shitty pseudo-intellectual, and your formally invalid arguments. Your Argumentum ad Novitatem isn't just stupid because you're engaging in the bandwagon fallacy - it's stupid because you're trying to reaffirm your stance, despite confusing an excuse for an explanation.

"I see that you are trying to evoke an emotional response in me."
Stupid and incorrect rhetoric. I don't give a fuck about your emotional state - I care that you've gone from quietly condoning bigotry to out-and-out saying that women should 'hide who they really are' in the same way that pedophiles should. Remove my emotions, and I'm still right. Remove your emotions, and you've still said that women should hide who they are because the current social standing of things says it's okay to shame women. Instead of saying 'You're right, men shouldn't act like bigots just because women are not men'.
"I'm not certain what makes you so secure in your superiority to everyone else,"
Oh, jesus christ, enough with the insecure dick measuring. I don't care who's 'superior', asshole. I care that you, who routinely treats other users like they're idiots because of their lack of grammar and punctuation, are trying to defend treating women like shit on intellectual grounds. While it is annoying that you're doing it with broken logic, and that you're committing formal fallacies (and informal fallacies) over and over again, that's just annoying. Even if you were the smartest person in the room (which isn't the case - Jester, for example, is more intellectually honest than you), I could still pick apart your stance on intellectual grounds.
"but I'm not appreciating it."
Too fucking bad. I don't appreciate being compared to a pedophile because RNA translated my DNA as requiring a final two XX chromosomes (and before you says something stupid like 'well maybe pedophilia is genetic', we've already done replicable studies proving that's pedophilic behaviour is non-genetic).
"Is that the only worthwhile part of your personality is your intelligence? That seems to be the only thing that you care about,"
Says an asshole who routinely condescends to people because they can't spell, or because they can't use proper punctuation. Fuck your double standards. If it's right when you do it, then it's right when I do it to you. If it's wrong when I do it, then you were an asshole each and every time you did it to someone else.
"considering you call yourself "Academic","
Which I prove, by holding myself to academic (read: structured, logically sound arguments) standards.
"you refer to me as "ill-informed""
Well-informed people don't compare women to pedophiles, in hopes of justifying sexism.
I'm right.
And I can prove it.
Show this page to professors in your school. Especially the women. Ask them specifically to evaluate my logic, and your own. Ask them to evaluate my whole argument ("Sexism is wrong, those who lend silent support to sexism because they are not personally impacted by the sexism is wrong") to your whole argument ("Sexism is the fault of women for openly being women, in the same way that open pedophiles are hated when openly being pedophiles"). And then ask them if they think your stance is ill-informed.
I dare you.

"and "undergrad","
You're right. I redact undergrad. It was an underhanded dig. I concede that point entirely.
If you were a professor, you'd be still be wrong, and there are people who never approach post-secondary education who still understand the correct assertion that sexism, even silent consent of sexism, is wrong. The fact that you're at some low point in your academic career has no bearing on your ignorant statements, and it's wrong of me to imply a correlation.
"and you feel the need to start arguments on the Internet"
There's that victim blaming again. Your logic is analogous to saying "If that black man didn't want to get lynched after I called him a dumb negro, he shouldn't have gotten uppity". I shouldn't have had to defend myself in the first place, and you're an asshole for implying this is all my fault for standing up for myself.
"where there's no way you can lose in an argument against us people who I could only imagine you calling "heathen".

Sure I can. I submitted a combo I called unbeatable a few months back. I was told it could be stopped by boardwipe. They were right. I conceded the point. I can lose an argument by being wrong, idiot.
And when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. When I've been wrong, I've owned it. Those are the very real facts, dudebro.
Don't talk about 'us people'. I haven't brought anyone else into this. I'm talking about you, and your appeal to the masses is another logical fallacy. Knock it off.
As for the 'heathen' thing? You've just managed to compare my speaking out for the rights of women to religious persecution. So, you're kind of batting 1.000 for shitty incorrectness today.

"I'm a nihilist, and as such, I don't believe in inherent "right" or "wrong".
There is no "right" side to an argument, as every argument is subjective.

Yeah, that's not what nihilism is. Nihilism is the belief that life is a zero-sum game. It's a belief that there is no afterlife, that the universe will experience heat death, and that's it. It's not an excuse to ignore 'right and wrong', It's the believe that the governance of right and wrong is not tied to the idea that life is infinite. Nihilism is just a (very likely correct, but still completely untestable) metaphysical argument. The fact that you use it to justify your relativist fallacy (also known as, conveniently enough, the subjectivist fallacy) is garbage.
(The Relativist Fallacy is committed when a person rejects a claim by asserting that the claim might be true for others but is not for him/her. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
1. Claim X is presented.
2. Person A asserts that X may be true for others but is not true for him/her.
3. Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.
In this context, relativism is the view that truth is relative to Z (a person, time, culture, place, etc.).
Example:
Bill: "Your position results in condoning bigotry, so I can't accept it."
Dave: "Condoning bigotry may be bad on your Eurocentric, oppressive, logical world view, but I don't think condoning bigotry is bad. Therefore my position is just fine.")
"Personally, I think that every person should be treated equally, but I doubt you would agree with that. You don't seem to be much of a fan of equality, due to your belief that there is always a "right" side of the argument."
Bullshit. Equality is about judging all people by fair, and logically reasonable standards. It is fair and logically reasonable to adulate people who don't rape children, and persecute those who would rape children, provided that same standard is applied to all people, equally. It is never fair, or logically reasonable to adulate men for being men, and to persecute women for being not men.
That's the line you're proud of not understanding.
More importantly - this isn't about me defending equality, this is about you defending inequality. Fuck your intellectually dishonest dissemination of the definition of equality, and fuck your implication that you believe in equality. You don't believe people should be treated equally - you started this shit by saying that women are at fault for sexism online because they should know better than to be open about being a woman. Because internet society says that sexism is okay. That's defense of inequality, and fuck you for trying to usurp a legitimate cause to defend the exact antithesis of that cause.
"I conclude that you aren't even trying to change my opinions."
Then you're a fucking idiot incapable of making reasonable conclusions.
"I guess I'm just too much lower than you."
Fuck your undeserved sarcasm, asshole. You've said shitty things, and are proud that you'll never fix them. That has nothing to do with our standing to one another.
"If you were, then you would have used logical arguments"
Everything I have typed here - all of it - every fucking word - has been logically consistent. And again, this is verifiable. I've already dared you to show this whole debate to your professors and peers. Let them tell you all about the soundness of my logic.
I fucking double dare you.

"instead of an Ad Hominem fallacy."
Ad hominem implies that I'm attacking your character through libel in hopes of swaying people, and your implication is dishonest. I haven't had to lie about you once. If I've made a claim about you, it's structured entirely on your own words.

Whereas you've outright mischaracterized me repeatedly in hopes of disempowering me. Fuck you, and fuck your intellectual dishonesty, and since it's the real topic at hand, fuck your defense of sexist bigotry, and fuck your cowardice when it's implied that you could act against it.

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Date Posted: Fri Nov/23/12 at 1:06am

Wow, I wonder how many people here are going to actually get back on topic.

First thing

Stop editing my language?

REALLY?

What did somebody re-do your posts as Spanish or something?

And they wonder why america's education system is going downhill.

Oh and there's like an argument or something going on above me.

All I'd like to know is one thing.

How do I edit people's language online?

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Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 12:50am

First thing:*

You forgot your colon.

That is how.

I see how this argument could continue and I'm betting on word swap.
To be really good, I don't think anyone would go all the way.

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Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 10:31pm

Kethiju

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I see someone lit the fuse on Academic's tampon again...She's gone on another of those "I'm a woman! Respect me because I say so." tirades again. As far as law in concerned, yes, you are a man's equal. In reality, you aren't. You can blame nature for that. You will never be as physically strong as a man. You will never have the spatial reasoning a man has. Facts backed up by science. You said you were a neurologist. I would like to see some proof of that. I noticed that you also said to Kefka that you are "touching future generations." Yeah? Prove it. Show some hard data on it. You're going to tear Turbine a new asshole for having a differing opinion from you. Insult him by using his education status as a insult. Fuck you Academic. You have some serious issues that need to be worked out. I have serious doubts that you are who you say and claim you are. A scientist wouldn't have to resort to using a person's place in college as an insult. You are a holier than thou stuck up little girl. Excluding my ex-wife, I don't think I've ever disliked a woman as much as you. Actually, I retract the doubts I have about you being who you say you are. I simply don't believe you. Not in the least. You haven't given anyone here any sort of proof that you are a neurologist. So, that said, you have 0 credibility. Nothing you say will carry any weight. Have a nice day. Oh, if you want some rope, I've got a place for you to get some. Just be sure to let me know when so I can video tape it.

Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 10:51pm

Keara

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Academic..this is Big so you can read it you little FLIP BITCH...You are making real women like me Look Bad...You see over here in America women dont brag about there education Since you want to brag about being a Neurologist (which I highly Doubt it) I will Brag about Being a Chef.. You see you never want to piss off a Chef they handle your food. oh and the whole thing about a woman making a man a sandwich.. I have no Problem Making my man's..It what 2 people do when they love each other do things for each other something you know nothing about. you seriously need to get fucking laid . Sex is the best way to relieve tension and anger...oh and for your Fucking Info Im kethiju's Wife..AND NOT ONLY DO I PLAY MAGIC I WILL CURSE YOUR FUCKING WHINNING ASS DONT PLAY WITH FIRE YOU WILL GET BURNED BITCH

Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 11:06pm

I still haven't got my answer.

I wanna know how the fuck you gonna edit somebody's language online.

Somebody tell me.

On a side note, does anybody here know where the fuck the magic the gathering storyline thing is going?

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Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 11:15pm

Keara

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I forgot to add 2 thing...I gotta ask since Your picture is a rainbow unkosher jello mold ARE YOU A FUCKING DYKE ACADEMIC cause here in the states if your a female and have anything with a rainbow on it Your a Lesbian and any Man from america thats in here can back me up on that.

And for those that Know Red Vs Blue Academic Makes Caboose look like a fucking Genius..If a Zombie Apocolypse ever occured i would rather have Caboose watching My Back then you.. You Fucking Moron .. and his Gun is loaded with Crayons

Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 3:26am

What right do you have to speak to my vice-stick in such a manner?!?!?!?

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Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 1:14pm

auron

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Stop the madness!!!

Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 1:17pm

ANGRY DISENGENIOUS WORDS ON THE INTERNET GONNA MAKE ME SO MAD

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lol i won so hard

a little girl is the alpha male now and that makes you so mad

Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 5:50pm

@Auron, the stopped the madness after Torment.

@M-Alice, I did explain it to you already, scroll up.

@The rest of you: really? Wow. Not the type of substitution I was expecting. I would however like to thank you for explaining why on earth people ever enjoyed going to the colosseum.

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Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 6:26pm

I think the Gladiator games should be brought back and televised on public TV. That way, we can get our jollies off watching people fight to the death for our entertainment and the "chance" at freedom.

@ Academic. I thought you were female. Now you're saying you're an alpha male? *is confused* Are you pre-op or post-op? *doubles over laughing hysterically* HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! *gasps for breathe* DAMN I'M FUNNY!!!

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Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 6:44pm

You're acting like an asshole in defense of Jester. Except Jester openly stated that he disliked people acting like assholes, he also agreed that treating women like shit was not okay.
(See, the implication that since I've outperformed every man who's stepped up against me, I clearly must be a man, or at least had to have been a man at some point in his life is pretty much standard sexist fare. The exact same kind I had pointed out could be used to identify legitimate idiot sexist males. :D )
Sorry, hun, I'm very much a girl, and I'm still better than any idiot sexist.
But here, I can make your reply for you: "LOL GIRLS ARE WHORES AND FILIPINOS ARE WHORES AND LOOK AT ME BE ZANY *uses text to describe actions that [Kefka] wishes [Kefka] could actually do because otherwise he's totally impotent*"
:D

[Edited by Academic on 25/Nov/12 at 6:46PM]

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Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 6:46pm

My nethers work. :D Seriously Academic, you can't possibly hope to prevail over me. I'm Kefka motherfucking Palazzio!!!

Oh, FYI. I'm just treating YOU like shit. Women in general are spiffy.

[Edited by Kefka on 25/Nov/12 at 6:49PM]

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Date Posted: Sun Nov/25/12 at 6:49pm

I never really cared about prevailing over you. :)
-edit- That's a good point. I'm sure if you showed this thread off to your female friends and relatives, they'd totally agree with you [/sarcasm] :)
You have no reason to be treating me like shit, and the fact that you'd adhear to sexist language in hopes of disempowering a specific female speaks to your attitudes of women on whole. :D -/edit-

[Edited by Academic on 25/Nov/12 at 6:53PM]

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/26/12 at 12:02am

Is anybody gonna answer MY FUCKING QUESTION!?

It stands ya know.

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/26/12 at 12:21am

That's a strong Duke of Edinburgh fallacy right there, yo.
Dude said something in a dumb way is all. ^_^

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/26/12 at 9:19am

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Date Posted: Fri Nov/23/12 at 1:06am

M-alice

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Date Posted: Sat Nov/24/12 at 12:50am

Boyachi

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I told you I answered your question. Here is the proof.

Date Posted: Mon Nov/26/12 at 4:00pm

I think Kefka is taking this WAY to seriously.

Academic on the other hand keeps trolling it up.

And me, well I'm here to be an asshole so with that said let's get the formalities out of the way.

@ Kefka: Cool story bro

@ Boyachi: You're* kinda a word nazi dude.

*There I spelled it right, so tell Hitler to fuck himself.

Oh and did you know that African kings sold the first African slaves into slavery?

Kinda fucked up when ya think about it.

Definitely something to be said for the African American culture foundations.

They need to really learn how to tell the story right.

So yeah, suck on that Black Panthers!

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Date Posted: Mon Nov/26/12 at 4:27pm

Hey, the internet is serious business.

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/27/12 at 1:10am

You damn right about that!

It's like somebody took everything important and said, FUCK THIS SHIT!

So yeah, it's pretty god damn serious!

Like the whole 9/11 shit. THAT WAS SERIOUS SHIT! People fucking DIED!

Like the whole Holocaust fuckup! JEWISH PEOPLE WERE NOT FLAME PROOF! GUESS WHAT? KNOCK KNOCK. WHO'S THERE? NOBODY BECAUSE THEY FUCKING BURNED ME ALIVE!!!!!!!

Like school shootings and shit! Shit is not good out there! People are goddamn monsters and shit!

And guess what?

THE FUCK IF I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!?

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/27/12 at 2:13am

[Edited by Academic on 27/Nov/12 at 2:15AM]

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/27/12 at 2:56am

HOLY FUCK THAT IS AWESOME!

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/27/12 at 7:44pm

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Agreed.

Date Posted: Thu Nov/29/12 at 12:11am