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Title: New chainmail project!!!
Date Posted: Mon Feb/18/13 at 7:33pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Just finished a chainmail bracer. It has a total of 409 rings. Aircraft grade aluminum was used in its creation. 102.25" of wire was used. This item is for sale. For info about how to order one, just let me know you're interested and your measurements of your arm/s. Once complete, I'll shoot you an email where I'll need shipping info. Paypal is preferred method.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/18/13 at 7:49pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Pics or GTFO.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/18/13 at 8:10pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Be easy if my girl's phone would let me just take pics off it and put them on my computer. *sigh* as soon as it makes it to my email I'll put the pics up.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/18/13 at 9:34pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

WTF?! fucking picture won't post. just gives me the red X...


[Edited by Kefka on 18/Feb/13 at 9:41PM]
Date Posted: Mon Feb/18/13 at 9:42pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

http://www.anonmgur.com/up/c8772616d25c85c4d18487a1dd73b65f.jpg

[Edited by Kefka on 20/Feb/13 at 5:58PM]
Date Posted: Tue Feb/19/13 at 9:08pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Man... those links are a tad wide... I know a few fairies that would take advantage of that in a heartbeat.... ;P

Joking aside that looks fucking sweet. Have you tested knife/swords/blunt metal objects on it?
Date Posted: Wed Feb/20/13 at 12:04pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Tested a German bastard sword on it and it held up. No damage to the chainmail. No damage to the sword either. That piece is aircraft grade aluminum. Didn't do well at all against a small sword. Proves that armor is useless against a rapier. Next project is a chainmail messenger bag. Lined in velvet. Not really sure what the price point will be on that... thinking $175US.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/20/13 at 4:08pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Kefka - host your pics through Anonmgur, then edit the link to your Facebook out.

I dig you trust us here with your identity, and I do respect Internet anonymity, but a lot of other people don't.

And considering we have an angry spaz showing his head every-so-often (just long enough to lash out), you need to make sure you're covered. :D
Date Posted: Wed Feb/20/13 at 5:38pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Oh, a Jason Vine account http://www.facebook.com/jason.vine.1426/info ... Obviously IT and IT-girls have no guts.

[Edited by knarf_the_dwarf on 20/Feb/13 at 6:09PM]
Date Posted: Wed Feb/20/13 at 5:57pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Mwahahahaha! Knarf is pissed because he can't afford my chainmail. Loser...
Date Posted: Wed Feb/20/13 at 5:58pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Ok. Got it. Editing now.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 5:42am

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

It takes guts to protect your guts...
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 7:35am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

On one hand, I knew he was stupid enough to do it, I just didn't think he'd be enough of a creep to actually do that.

But it totally does back up my assertion that Knarf suffers from Aspergers.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 8:31am

spiderman1100
Posts: 354
Joined: 19-Apr-12

OK Academic, we all know you hate Knarf. Shut up already!
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 9:29am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I don't hate Knarf, Spider, and fuck your fallacious moral equivalencies. Making it so that Kefka can't remove his personal information was shitty, and it is both right and good to deride someone going out of their way to make this forum a less safe place.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 11:00am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

IT does not respect Internet anonymity, IT just needs Internet anonymity as a kind of shield of immunity to keep IT's nasty offending behaviour without being afraid to get some fines.
So, when I put Kefka's peronal information into the public eye then he will think twice before he will offend someone again. THIS makes this forum safer for non-IT-girl user!
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 11:21am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

No, you being shitty to someone else isn't going to change the fact that you were born broken, Knarf.

Kefka, remember next time to think ahead about these things the next time this situation arises.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 1:16pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

I will point out that Kefka's facebook accounts was created this monday (for the future readers, it is now thursday). For what he is sharing and how new his account is...I really don't think that he would use his real name just to post pictures. Yes, there was a dot com, but I feel as though SkarLord and his remixes would have shown up sooner in this forum.

The name is actually referring to his UG color preference and love of Island Fish Jasconius, good armor (like chainmail) and excellent for using as fodder for Sword of the Ages (looking little like the sword in the album).
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 7:20pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Academic, it's cool. I've got Lifelock. Knarf, you just committed a felony. Threatening to misuse my information is a felony. Actually misusing it is a federal crime. It's pity that keeps me from contacting federal law enforcement agencies and pressing charges. Your mental disabilities do NOT excuse your actions. You obviously don't care how people perceive you, and honestly, I'm the kind of guy who gives people a chance. Your's is used up. Done. Gone. Extinct. Eradicated and any other more complicated words meaning you don't have a chance with me anymore. Listen carefully little boy. If you truly want a war with me, you'll get it. We'll see if you want what you get. ;) Also, since you threatened to misuse my information, I am completely at liberty to contact the admin of this site and demand you be removed and that your IP address be given to law enforcement. Which I WILL do. Congratulations. You have successfully gotten on my bad side. Good luck with the police.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/21/13 at 9:19pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

So, I still am not sure about this:

When he's saying "IT", is he referring to "Industrial Technology" as an insult to Academic's intelligence, or is he using "it" as a gender-neutral term in order to imply that Academic is a man posing as a woman?
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 12:56am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

He's using it as a dehumanization tool. Doesn't really work. lol.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 1:08am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Jason, using public available information is never a crime. And, I would appreciate to get in contact with the administrator cause his response time to mails is really  long. The need for IP addresses is also on my side!-))
Also I will do a favour for you and push your chainmail sale.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 8:51am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

He's right, Kefka. Since you'd provided the link in the first place, there's no legal recourse here - but I think you should give the cretin what he wants. Dude's been freaking out, treating people like crap, and now he's refusing to pull your personal information from the site when asked to do so directly, daring you to cry to someone about it,

So call his bluff., Shoot Sync an e-mail, and link Sync to this thread. Tell him how Knarf's been behaving - without lying, or exaggerating, or putting any bias at all into it. Knarf's behaviours, without embellishment, are enough to cause someone to take action. 

Irrespective of his mental condition, there's no excuse for what Knarf's just done - so get a hold of Sync, and let him know. :D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 9:19am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Oh, IT-mama taking care about IT's IT-girl.

Honestly spoken I made no bluff. Link Sync to this thread and once I got direct contact with Sync I can directly provide Sync some evidences. Really no problem, cause I have lots of legal recourse here.
Please, please, please shoot Sync several e-mails, and link Sync to this and other threads. Tell him how Academic is been behaving, too- this will discover how IT is.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 9:47am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Actually, I'm okay with that, too.

I've been treating people well, encouraging new users, and coming down hard on people who have been threatening this website - Knarf has decided to go the opposite route.

Remember, Kefka - no bias. You don't have to represent me as a saint - just be fair. I can defend any action I've taken on this site, and if Sync would like to talk to me directly about things, I'd be cool with that, too. ^_^

Do it up, Kefka. It's okay.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 9:58am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

http://www.mtgcombos.com/help.php

This is the place for your mail, let me know if you get a response.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 11:54am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Action has already been taken. I provided several incidents to Sync about Knarf's behavior and his intent to misuse personal information that doesn't belong to him. Oddly enough, there was no need to even mention what's been going on between you (Academic) and Knarf. Since it has no bearing on the issue at hand right now. I again use House M.D. as an exhibit for Knarf's behavior. Difference is, Hugh Lourie is a MUCH smarter person.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 12:54pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Oh Kefka, where are your posts about knifes and ice cream gone? Are you hurt? Seriously?
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 1:28pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

That's fair, Kefka, and cheers.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 2:21pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Not chers, "Bum Shankar"!-D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 2:28pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

...okay? :D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 2:49pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

trombone? really?
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 2:51pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Hey, you're the idiot that mentioned the band.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 3:19pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

No knives and ice cream right now. I'm not in jester mode. I am in kill mode and I intend to end your membership with this site. To Academic, I am beginning to change my opinion of you. I at first thought it was blind adherence to intellectual logic, but there is a human under it.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 3:30pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

LOL, Kefka in kill-mode is like an ant trying to erode the Mt. Everest
Maybe Kefka understood  the "Bum Shankar" greetings, Academic is obviously not so familiar with IT's IT-girl's customs.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 3:51pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Well, I get that you used tried to use slang specific to India culture to try and burn someone who isn't Indian.

The fact that I could point out how stupid that was by posting an Indian jam-band's music video was just kind of gravy.  /:D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 4:43pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Oh Knarf. How simple you are. I propose that we replace Knarf with a crow. The crow would know when it is beaten. :)
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 4:45pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

IT's got the wrong dictionary....
Does IT really don't know what IT's girl context is?
Maybe take a look at this site of Indian culture and maybe IT is capable of drawing parallels to IT's IT-girl
http://www.theantidoteblog.com/2010/01/bum-shankar_17.html
Honestly spoken I still don't know the translation and meaning of "Kershaw Trooper"...

Kefka: knives and ice cream, these are your topics, nothing more, remember...


[Edited by knarf_the_dwarf on 22/Feb/13 at 4:49PM]
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:00pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I know the first thing at the top of the page you linked was a pot leaf.

So, how long have you been smoking pot, Knarf?
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:08pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Never, this isn't neccessary for knowledge about this.
Maybe neurobiologist with a familiarity with psychology prefer to do empiric study....
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:12pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Or maybe a neurobiologist with an interest in psychology thinks about more important things than you do, Knarf. ;D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:25pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

This maybe is a proof for discussing with me...
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:36pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Neurobiology, as opposed to a pop-culture reference in a nation so removed from my own as to be considered inconsequential? :D

Knarf, no matter what you say, what I do is more important than what you do. No matter what you do.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 6:57pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

sure, IT is still in class, so learn a lot, maybe IT will become valuable...
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 7:00pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

I also work at a MRI research facility to further my thesis.

And you're have no confidence in what you do for a living. :D
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 7:07pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Lyer. Not more. Not less.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 7:13pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

...what do nucleolar proteins have to do with anything?

Wait, are you suggesting you're also in the medical field? What do you do?

-edit- Wait, no, that's Lyar. What are you actually talking about? :D -/edit-


[Edited by Academic on 22/Feb/13 at 7:14PM]
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 7:14pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Mix terrible grammar and an inability to spell and what do you get? Knarf! I believe the word was LIAR. Lyer isn't a word. Go ahead. Spell check it. The crow reference is directly referencing the bird. Crows learn from hatching from their parents. They are intelligent birds. This has been irrefutably proved by the University of Washington. You have been irrefutably proven to be an idiot by the University of MTG Combos.com. If you haven't bothered to Google search what a Kershaw Trooper is, then you are the one at fault for your ignorance on the subject.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 7:22pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Oh IT-girl has come back from retirement...
Only talk when you have something valuable to say...
Date Posted: Fri Feb/22/13 at 9:06pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Here's an idea my dear little pony girl. Why don't you go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself? :) Do you really think you can insult me? LMAO!!! For someone to be able to insult me, I must first have to respect them. I don't respect you. Period. You will NEVER have my respect. Therefore, you cannot insult me. So keep babbling away like the damaged girl pony you are. :)
Date Posted: Sat Feb/23/13 at 12:35am

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

Are you seriously talking to that retarded piece of shit Kef? I guess it's in your nature to try and better people. Just find out where he lives and actually stab him a few times.
Date Posted: Sat Feb/23/13 at 4:14am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

oldies but goldies http://jwebgen.com/starterOO :-D
Date Posted: Sat Feb/23/13 at 11:34pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

What's the matter Knarf? Scared of the big bad Sorin Markov picture? Come on. Try flipping me the same shit you flip everyone else here. Fucking retard.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/28/13 at 8:19am

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

Remember, folks - me and Keth fucking hate each other.

It would take a serious fucking idiot to have us on the same side of a thing.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/02/13 at 3:18pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Why did Knarf post a link to make a My Little Pony? Makes me think Knarf is a minor. Or REALLY retarded. (Not making fun of people with actual mental defect.)
Date Posted: Sat Mar/02/13 at 4:05pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Jason, I read that you have a fiancee. Is she a model  for underwear?
Date Posted: Sat Mar/02/13 at 4:52pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

... Pics or GTFO...
Date Posted: Sat Mar/02/13 at 9:13pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

How the fuck do you get model for underwear from fiance? Is there something I don't know about fiances?
Date Posted: Sun Mar/03/13 at 12:01am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

I know right? LOL!!!! Maybe fiancee in asperger's language means something else. Obviously to Knuckle Barf, it means underwear model.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/03/13 at 11:45am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Seriously, fiancee means female affianced. Source http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/deutsch-englisch/Verlobte.html (ending "ee" == female, "e" == male)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiancee

But back to my question, I stepped over a picture in the inet and was wondering if this girl I found is Kefka's fiancee. Follow the link only if you are adult enough!-)) http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=cheap+chainmail+bikini
Date Posted: Sun Mar/03/13 at 5:00pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
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FUCK YOU MAN. WHY WOULD YOU LINK TO THAT?!
Date Posted: Mon Mar/04/13 at 11:49am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

That's not her. She's got WAY bigger...assets...in the chest area. ;) That must be a link to Knuckle Barf's fantasy girlfriend. *runs around laughing hysterically then ties barbwire to knarf and makes him dance like a puppet* Dance! DANCE!!!
Date Posted: Mon Mar/04/13 at 4:16pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
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I've seen enough hentai...
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 11:26am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Hentai > knarf. Tooth extraction without pain killers > knarf
Being shot again > knarf. Being forced to reconcile with my ex > knarf
Mystic Quest Final Fantasy > knarf
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 11:53am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
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Hey Jason, what is the meaning of the  ">"?
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 12:20pm

Academic
Posts: 1305
Joined: 29-Mar-12

So someone doesn't understand basic math. :D
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 2:36pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
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That's so pathetic it's actually not funny. Seriously? No idea what that symbol is? Don't they use it in the backwater hillbilly country you live in?
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 2:37pm

Academic
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He's from India. Hence, the woman issues.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 3:22pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
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Oh, IT's back!-)
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 3:59pm

Academic
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Joined: 29-Mar-12

Case in point. :D
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 6:31pm

DyingJester
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HENTAI>EXISTENCE
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 9:54pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

*pats jester on the back* Did you see an episode of La Blue Girl when you were young? Because real women feel a whole lot better man. * stifles a chuckle*
Date Posted: Wed Mar/06/13 at 11:56pm

Kethiju
Posts: 225
Joined: 24-Jul-12

Hey Knarf. Your ancestor's take fucking delicious with cheese even if it is traif. A little ketchup and mayo with extra sharp white cheddar and jalapeno jack cheese. Oh yeah...yummy. Or on the grill with Jack Daniel's No. 7 BBQ sauce. Or just as a roast with garlic, potatoes, carrots...yeah man...fucking.. delicious.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/09/13 at 9:37pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Hentai>Hentai...?
Date Posted: Sat Mar/09/13 at 10:31pm

Academic
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Hentai ≥ Hentai
Date Posted: Sat Mar/09/13 at 10:35pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

I really wish 'hent' was a word so that I could eat 'hent' Tai.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/10/13 at 12:12am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
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Make hentai alter arts of planeswalkers...
Profit...
Buy more torture porn...
Date Posted: Sun Mar/10/13 at 12:58pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Phase 1, get hentai. Phase 2.... Phase 3, PROFIT!!!

What's phase 2?

What's phase 2?? Hey guys! WHAT'S PHASE 2?!
Date Posted: Sun Mar/10/13 at 4:26pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

OPPA GANGAM STYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date Posted: Sun Mar/10/13 at 6:44pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Phase 2 is flipping it on the auction house right?
Date Posted: Tue Mar/12/13 at 6:54am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

I guess... no one explained what phase 2 is. Flipping it at ah is a sound idea. How much to charge though...I propose a 10% discount to average price. Corner the market so people are only buying or products. Once or competitors have been driven out of business, raise the price 20%.
Date Posted: Tue Mar/12/13 at 12:50pm

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Hey that curves right into PROFIT. Well done! :D
Date Posted: Tue Mar/12/13 at 8:50pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
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Come on... I'm Kefka Fucking Palazzo.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/13/13 at 12:07am

Kefka
Posts: 535
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Started using galvanized steel the other day. Harder than even the tempered aircraft aluminum. Good pair of cutters and a steel rod have certainly made things easier. Turns out, a chainmail messenger bag was probably a little too ambitious. It won't hold its shape very well, and it would be god offaly heavy. So...working on some other less ambitious projects. Handheld game tassels, key chain tassels, coifs, hauberks later on. Hell, I'll spin some springs for people wanting to try making chainmail themselves.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/13/13 at 12:16am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

I'm gonna set-up a dummy email address for people to email so they can get a real email address to request pieces. This is my only request/demand: No foreign addresses at this time. I need to filter Knarf out. Yes Knarf, I am going to refuse your requests for anything. Email is kefkaschainmail@gmail.com

This email will be screened for Knarf-like people. If you don't get a reply, it's because I believe you to be Knarf. Period.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/13/13 at 9:34am

RedZTape
Posts: 293
Joined: 13-Jan-13

Sounding a bit like Knarf's conviction that we're all Academic. XD
Date Posted: Wed Mar/13/13 at 12:31pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Inconceivable.



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