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Combo Name: Infinite damage (I think) Submitted By: Turbine
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Experiment Kraj
 Legendary Creature - Ooze Mutant 2GGUU 4/6 Dissension, Rare

Stuffy Doll
 Artifact Creature - Construct 5 0 / 1 Time Spiral, Rare

Lightning Bolt
 Instant R Beta, Common

Personal Incarnation
 Summon Avatar 3WWW 6/6 Beta, Rare

Furnace of Rath
 Enchantment 1RRR 8th Edition, Rare

Pariah
 Enchant Creature 2W Urza's Saga, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $8.76
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:55 pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Put +1/+1 counters on SD and PI.  Have Pariah in play on the Kraj. Lightning Bolt the Kraj. Redirect the 3 damage to you. It turns into 6 damage. Pariah turns the damage around back at the Kraj and doubles it to 12. This is similar to a boomerang effect. Eventually, let the damage hit the Kraj and obliterate your opponent.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:56pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

I don't think incarnations is activated ability. There is no activation cost. P.S. even if it was you could start it by tapping kraj

[Edited by Twogunkid on 12/May/10 at 5:57PM]
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:59pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I wasn't sure about what were activated abilities so that's why I put "I think".
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 8:12pm

the_clowns_did_it
Posts: 21
Joined: 30-Jan-10

it is abilities that you have to pay something to activate
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 9:45pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10


Personal Incarnation
English



Creature - Avatar Incarnation 6/6,
3WWW (6)

{0}: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to
Personal Incarnation this turn is dealt to its owner instead. Any player
may activate this ability, but only if he or she owns Personal
Incarnation.

When Personal Incarnation is put into a graveyard
from the battlefield, its owner loses half his or her life, rounded up.



Yeah it is now activated, so...
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 9:46pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

It DOES work.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 9:47pm

the_clowns_did_it
Posts: 21
Joined: 30-Jan-10

its an activated ability.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 10:21pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

how would letting the damage (which doesn't build) hit the krag obliterate your opponent.  stuffys dolls only activated ability is the ability to do damage to itself, its ability to do damage to oppoenent is a triggered ability
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 11:07pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

the incarnations abilities are triggred not activated.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 11:13pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

incarnation has been errated to have an activated ability like the en-kors
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 11:40pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I don't get it... How will the damage be redirected back to Experiment Kraj? When the damage is redirected to Stuffy doll by pariah, it will be redirected to your opponent...
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 7:50am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

geracult, the en-kors were always like that:
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 7:53am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Geracult,
If multiple effects modify how damage will be dealt, the player who
would be dealt damage or the controller of the creature that would be
dealt damage chooses the order to apply the effects. For example,
Mending Hands says, "Prevent the next 4 damage that would be dealt to
target creature or player this turn." Suppose a spell would deal 5
damage to a player who has cast Mending Hands targeting himself or
herself. That player can either (a) prevent 4 damage first and then let
Furnace of Rath double the remaining 1 damage, taking 2 damage, or (b)
double the damage to 10 and then prevent 4 damage, taking 6 damage.
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 7:55am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

The reason this doesn't work, is because SD's ability to redirect damage to your opponent, isn't an activated, so it can't be gained by Kraj
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 7:55am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10


Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 8:18am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I started a big controversy!
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 5:42pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Lin

yes you are right but damage is not being modified it is being redirected, which is a type of replacement effect so

614.6. If an event is replaced, it never happens. A modified event occurs instead, which may in turn trigger abilities. Note that the modified event may contain instructions that can’t be carried out, in which case the impossible instruction is simply ignored.

 

614.7. If a replacement effect would replace an event, but that event never happens, the replacement effect simply doesn’t do anything.

 

614.7a If a source would deal  damage, it does not deal damage at all. Replacement effects that would increase the damage dealt by that source, or would have that source deal that damage to a different object or player, have no event to replace, so they have no effect.

 

Damage is never dealt it is shifted to another target and shifted again and again, since damage is never dealt furnace doesn't trigger its replacement affect to double that damage

Also concerning the en-kor, I do realize they were always like that, i was just clarifying that the incarnation now has the same ability they do.  sorry for the confusion

 
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 8:18pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

yeah, I yeild to you once again.

As for the en-kors, I realized this shortly after posting such



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