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Combo Name: Poor Man's Platinum Angel Submitted By: Twogunkid
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Daunting Defender
 Creature - Cleric 4W 3/3 Onslaught, Common

Personal Incarnation
 Summon Avatar 3WWW 6/6 Beta, Rare

Pariah
 Enchant Creature 2W Urza's Saga, Rare

Runed Stalactite
 Artifact - Equipment 1 Lorwyn, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $3.67
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 4:40 pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Alright all damage dealt to you is redirected to the incarnation by pariah, the defender reduces it by one redirect the remainder to yourself it loops back reduced by one again repeat until the damage is nullified.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 4:54pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Would it be an infinite loop without Daunting Defender?


[Edited by Turbine on 12/May/10 at 4:55PM]
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 4:58pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

only if you chose to redirect it yes
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:09pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It wouldn't be infinite then, since you can always choose not to redirect the damage. If it was infinite, it would cause a draw.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:10pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Also, this isn't a Platinum Angel, because of things like Coalition Victory, Mayeal's Aria, and Door to Nothingness.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:12pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

hence the poor man's your life won't be in anyway reduced and why wouldn't you choose for the incarnation to redirect it?
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:13pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

For something to be a draw, it has to have an infinite something that cannot be stopped in any way.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:15pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

you kill the incarnation thats how you stop it or disenchant pariah
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:24pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I am saying that if you can't, then it ends in a draw.
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 5:29pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Well I can't force a stalemate with this go see my new incarnation combo now
Date Posted: Wed May/12/10 at 10:12pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I do not think this works the way you think it will only stop prevent 1 damage, not all of it.  See your other post as it is the same
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 12:07am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Yup!
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 4:07pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

It says "WOULD" be dealt and the damage would be dealt without redirection, on the other combo I think you probably are right, but I think this one works because of would be dealt
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 5:51pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

The defender has a replacement effect

614.7. If a replacement effect would replace an event, but that event never happens, the replacement effect simply doesn’t do anything.

 

614.7a If a source would deal damage, it does not deal damage at all. Replacement effects that would increase the damage dealt by that source, or would have that source deal that damage to a different object or player, have no event to replace, so they have no effect.

 

When you redirect the damage you would not do damage to the orignal target, so the defenders replacement effect never triggers, the only time it will trigger is when you let it occur at which time it would prevent 1 of the damage


[Edited by gericault5 on 13/May/10 at 5:51PM]

Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 6:09pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Then, does the Stuffy Doll Pariah Furnace of Rath combo work?
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 6:17pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes because damage is done to stuffy so the furnances replacement effect triggers and then damage is done to your opponent which triggers furnace again.  the key part is damage is done
Date Posted: Thu May/13/10 at 6:18pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Oh yeah, I didn't realize that.



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