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Combo Name: INFINITE GOBLINS!!! Submitted By: Heheheee
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
 Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman 2RRR 2/2 Champions of Kamigawa, Rare

Mirror Gallery
 Artifact 5 Betrayers of Kamigawa, Rare

Krenko, Mob Boss
 Legendary Creature - Goblin Warrior 2RR 3 / 3 Magic 2013, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $19.65
Date Posted: Thu May/15/14 at 2:17 pm

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

Keep copy Kiki-Jiki then tap Krenko! Add coat of arms for fun!
Date Posted: Thu May/15/14 at 2:41pm

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

Kiki can only copy nonlegendary creatures.
Date Posted: Thu May/15/14 at 2:49pm

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

Mirror Gallery though!
Date Posted: Thu May/15/14 at 4:45pm

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

Doesn't matter. The mirror gallery doesn't say "nothing is legendary". It simply turns off the rule that kills duplicate legends.
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 10:22am

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

'Mirror Gallery removes the "Legend rule" while it's on the battlefield.' from gatherer.
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 10:52am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

I'm gonna side with Terrakhan on this one. Legend rule not applying does not remove the "Legendary" type on the creature (which is the prohibition on Kiki Jiki).
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 11:00am

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

It does remove it, read the gatherer page!
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 11:38am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

"Mirror Gallery removes the "Legend rule" while it's on the battlefield. If all Mirror Galleries leave the battlefield, the "Legend rule" will apply the next time state-based actions are performed."

I don't see any place in that ruling that states "Legendary" is removed. I do see "Legend Rule" is removed, which is different from "Legendary"... two different things.
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 11:53am

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

No they're the same thing!
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 11:59am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no they are not. one is a rule the other is a permanent type

mirror gallery modifies rule 704.5 to allow more then one legendary permanent with the same english name to be on the battlefield at the same time.
it does nothing to change the type of the permanent
see rule 704.5 for further clarification
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 12:26pm

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

In this case, it's not so much a Golden Rule but simply the application of what Mirror Gallery literally says. This card's ability generates a continuous effect. This effect is to alter the rules: "Ignore 704.5k, a.k.a. The Legend Rule." http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/275255-mirror-gallery-the-legend-rule-and-self-aware-game From another site!
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 2:57pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

That still does not prove your point. That quote talks about "the Legend rule".

The disagreement seems to be your interpretation of the Legend Rule.

My best advice, try your combo at a tournament with official judges and see how they interpret it.

Rule interpretation discussions are the best... especially in the middle of a game. It's like a 5 minute replay review in a football game... momentum killer.
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 3:47pm

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

Just wondering, what's the difference between the creature type and the rule?
Date Posted: Fri May/16/14 at 4:05pm

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terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

The Legend Rule is that (after the most recent change) if a player controls two or more legendary permanents with the same name, all but one of that player's choice die as a state-based action (no responding allowed, happens immediately upon the top event on the stack clearing, if any).

Legendary as it appears on cards is a super-type that modifies the card it appears on with an extra characteristic that the 'Legend Rule' looks for.

Leyline of Singularity is one of the few (maybe only one) cards that can ADD the Legendary super-type to a card. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the game that can remove it.

To use a nerd reference, Obi Wan (Mirror Gallery) waves his hand and sends the Stormtrooper (Legend Rule) on its way, "These are not the droids (legendary permanents) you are looking for."
Date Posted: Sat May/17/14 at 2:55am

Heheheee
Posts: 93
Joined: 24-Jan-14

Oh righty!



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