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Combo Name: Render Silent Submitted By: Dusk
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Training Grounds
 Enchantment U Rise of the Eldrazi, Rare

Render Silent
 Instant WUU Dragon's Maze, Rare

Elite Arcanist
 Creature - Human Wizard 3U 1 / 1 Magic 2014, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $2.98
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 11:25 am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Exile Render silent with Elite Arcanist. With training grounds in play, all you have to pay is 1 colorless mana. Eventually add something to untap the arcanist like Freed from the real, in order to play its ability every turn with only 2 mana.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 11:27am

GoodGuyTyler
Posts: 202
Joined: 14-Mar-12

Why not Silence?
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 11:40am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Render silent and Silence are a bit different, because the first is also a counterspell.
In addition, I wanted to emphasize the synergy with Training grounds. It allows you to play instants for 2 less mana and I think it should work also with overload costs, etc.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 11:45am

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

Unfortunately, you can't overload spells copied that way. "Without paying its mana cost" is an alternate mana cost, as is overload, and you can only pay ONE of them, and the ability creating the copy says which one.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 11:54am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Can't I play a spell only for its overload cost? It is not an additional cost like Kicker costs, for example.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 12:57pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

your not paying X to cast the spell, your paying to activate the ability.

Its the abilities resolution that lets you cast. and the ability decided what alternate cost was paid, you never have an option to choose.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 12:59pm

GoodGuyTyler
Posts: 202
Joined: 14-Mar-12

But if you cast Silence at the beginning of their untap step then you won't need to wait to counter anything ;). But it is cool that Training Grounds reduces the cost of activating Elite Arcanist.

Also I grabbed this from Gatherer:

4/15/2013: If you are instructed to cast a spell with overload “without paying its mana cost,” you can't choose to pay its overload cost instead.

So Overload is a no-go.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/06/14 at 5:57pm

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Thank you guys for the explanation. There's always something new to discover! (unfortunately in this case)



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