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Pikemen

{1}{W}

Creature — Human Soldier

Fifth Edition

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First strike; banding (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being blocked by a creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's being blocked by or is blocking.)

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Date Posted: Sun Jan/26/14 at 4:42 pm

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Chewy

terakhan
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Pikemen is standing in for Spirit of the Labyrinth:

You will get trapped with this as well, so I do recommend working in a way around it for your deck. But, thanks to how the draw phase and TPB work, each player will draw their initial card, put their whole hand on the bottom of their library, and then move on to their main phase as they don't get to draw anymore cards that turn.
Might be a good setup to cover your win-con once its on the field.
Date Posted: Sun Jan/26/14 at 8:51pm

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gericault5
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I like this
and if you enchant the spirit with flickerform you get all the draw you want while locking out your opponents
Date Posted: Tue Jan/28/14 at 10:38pm

Squillis
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If you add Abundance you can replace each draw with the Abundance effect. Because you end up just putting it in your hand none of them actually count as a draw so you still get to fill back up.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/28/14 at 11:30pm

terakhan
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Sadly, that isn't how it works. Abundance replaces a draw when it would happen. The spirit says the draw can't happen at all, so it can't be replaced.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/28/14 at 11:33pm

Squillis
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It says you can't draw more than 1 card per turn, Because of the Abundance, you don't even draw that first card so you never reach the point where you can't draw a second. A little tricky but it works ;)
Date Posted: Wed Jan/29/14 at 12:57am

terakhan
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Official Rulings on Gatherer, specifically ruling #4, regarding replacement effects.

[Edited by terakhan on 29/Jan/14 at 12:59AM]
Date Posted: Wed Jan/29/14 at 6:37am

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

That is true, but Usually you play the creature at sorcery speed which is after your entire draw step and after any triggers during that step resolve. If you play the creature turn 2, The abundance next, then the puzzle box last. When it comes to your draw step you will go to draw your first card for the turn, it gets replaced with picking land or non - land, revealing cards and putting it into your hand. Then the trigger for the puzzle box happens and goes on the stack. When it goes to resolve, with each card it will look at if you've drawn a card yet. Because the first draw never happened it will let the draw happen and you replace each of those subsequent draws with the abundance effect as well. It's the same reason you can get 3 cards each turn with no drawback using abundance and sylvan library.