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Combo Name: Lethal Caress Submitted By: Dusk
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
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Liliana's Caress
 Enchantment 1B Magic 2011, Uncommon

Deathcult Rogue
 Creature - Human Rogue 1UBUB 2 / 2 Gatecrash, Common

Whispering Madness
 Sorcery 2UB Gatecrash, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $1.33
Date Posted: Sat Dec/21/13 at 10:56 am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Have Liliana's Caress and any unblockable creature both in play. Play Whispering Madness in your Main Phase then cipher it on your creature and attack.
If you or your opponent have at least 5 cards in hand you can have Liliana's Caress deal 10 + 10 damage.
Date Posted: Sat Dec/21/13 at 12:43pm

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

I thought Deathcult Rogue was unblockable when I submitted the combo. Replace it with a dimir infiltrator, for example.
Date Posted: Sun Dec/22/13 at 8:46am

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Sadly Liliana's Caress only triggers when an opponent discards cards.
Date Posted: Sun Dec/22/13 at 9:27am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Do you mean that discarding hand doesn't trigger Liliana's ability or simply that it doesn't work if opponent has no cards in hand?

[Edited by Dusk on 22/Dec/13 at 9:52AM]
Date Posted: Mon Dec/23/13 at 8:57am

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

If you the controller of Liliana's Caress discard cards, you are not your own opponent. Liliana's Caress does nothing if Liliana's Caress's controller discards cards. It only works if an opponent discards cards.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/23/13 at 9:52am

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Oh, yes. That's a pity. But I did not expect it to do that :)
Date Posted: Mon Dec/23/13 at 10:52am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

@boyachi-dont think you realize that madness has each player discard and draw, which means your opponent is discarding
Date Posted: Tue Dec/24/13 at 1:13pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

The part I was focusing on was:
"If you or your opponent have at least 5 cards in hand you can have Liliana's Caress deal 10 + 10 damage."

I get that if the opponent discards five cards, they take ten damage.
If you discard 5 cards, they take no damage.
So it's the 10+10 I am getting hung up on. The only way that is happening is through multiple attacks, multiple ciphers(is that even possible for the same spell to be ciphered on the same creature?) or double strike (such as from Fireshrieker as it was reprinted in M14).
That is of course, unless I am missing something still.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/24/13 at 3:11pm

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

You're just forgetting the initial casting of the Whispering Madness.
Date Posted: Wed Dec/25/13 at 4:46pm

Dusk
Posts: 94
Joined: 18-Dec-13

Thank you all for the support. Because English is not my mother language, sometimes I find it difficult to express what I mean.
@boyachi: Sorry for misunderstanding. to be more precise, the initial damage depends on the number of cards in your opponent's hand while the remaining depends on who was in possession of the greater number of cards before the first discarding, you or him.


[Edited by Dusk on 26/Dec/13 at 6:23AM]



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