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Combo Name: u die now! Submitted By: reaper
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Oath of Druids
 Enchantment 1G Exodus, Rare

Shared Fate
 Enchantment 4U Mirrodin, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $7.24
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 1:31 pm

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

Play oath of druids then asap play shared fate now during next upkeep drop library into graveyard end turn and win. (No creatures were in your library by the way)
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 1:32pm

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

This is jason legal! Lol
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 2:23pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Not at all!  You only have 2 enchantments and don't tap lands to fuel them!-)) Jason would spazz out again and call you a failer!-)
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 2:56pm

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

Lol
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 3:38pm

MarcosTP
Posts: 37
Joined: 14-Mar-13

I didn't get this combo.

Why do you win, if I understood the idea is to get the library of opponent over.
But Oath of Druids doesn't make you draw cards, it only reveals. Shared Fate doesn't activate so long. And if you library has no creature you will get no cards first isn't it?

If I am wrong, please explain this to me again. Tx!
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 4:42pm

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

The idea is that in your turn you have less creature than your opponent and tehrefore put your complete library in the graveyard.
On opponent's turn he has to exile your top card. Since your library is empty, he cannot do so. Shared fate rulings are: 12/1/2004: Replacing your draws isn't optional. You can't draw cards from your own library, even if all your opponents' libraries are empty.
So opponent loses since he cannot  exile a card as a mandatory replacement for his card draw, therefore the following rule applies: 104.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.).
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 8:01pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no, your opponent doesn't lose, but he will be limited to what he has in hand or on the field.
 
Knarf is forgetting an important rule concerning replacement effects: 
614.6. If an event is replaced, it never
happens. A modified event occurs instead, which may in
turn trigger abilities. Note that the modified event may contain instructions
that can’t be carried out, in which case the impossible instruction is simply
ignored.
 
Since the attempt to draw from an empty library never happened, rule 104.3 doesn't apply and your opponent doesn't lose the game 
 
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 8:15pm

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

This is the same as shared fate leveler believe me it works.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 8:17pm

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

He stated the simple fact that since a card cant be exiled in place of draw that players then loses.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/17/13 at 10:48pm

MarcosTP
Posts: 37
Joined: 14-Mar-13

if I get it, i still think that this doesn't works, 'cause of this:

12/1/2004: Replacing your draws isn't optional. You can't DRAW cards from YOUR OWN library, even if all your opponents' libraries are empty.

The keywords are DRAW and YOUR LIBRARY... Shared Fate doesn't make you to draw a card, make you exile it instead. So, as you didn't draw, you can't lose this way. And more, it isn't YOUR LIBRARY.

04.3c If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.).

Here we see again the keywords - DRAW, HIS/HER LIBRARY. So if it isn't your library, isn't applyed, am i right?

I'm only trying to understand this, 'cause i've got so confused to me and I don't see the rules here. If i'm still wrong, say to me again if you can.

Tx

[Edited by MarcosTP on 17/Mar/13 at 10:50PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/18/13 at 12:21am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

This is the same as shared fate leveler believe me it works.

Why should we believe it works when I just provided the ruling on why it doesn't.  oh and shared/leveler doesn't win the game either for the same reason

He stated the simple fact that since a card cant be exiled in place of draw that players then loses

The rule is if you can't draw you lose, there is no rule that says if you can't exile you lose. 

Shared fate creates a replacement effect which causes you to exile instead of drawing.  So because of rule 614 the act of drawing doesn't exist. 

To simplify it, when shared fate is on the field the beginning phase goes UNTAP, UPKEEP, EXILE then into main phase.  The card ancestoral recall says Target player EXILES 3 cards, etc...  Again you can't lose for not being able to exile

@Marcos-  you are correct you don't draw so you don't lose, its just great card advantage
Date Posted: Mon Mar/18/13 at 3:33am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

gericault5 is correct on rules quotation. I checked this issue again and have to confirm that I made the mistake with the replacement rules; Shared Fate has been played with Leveler for the same reason not to win next turn but to get big card advantage.
I still suggest gericault5 for moderator and now also as ressource for "ask a judge" !-D
Date Posted: Mon Mar/18/13 at 10:04am

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

Yea idk y I thought diff still awesome advantage.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/18/13 at 11:44am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I second the nomination...Sync! Do it already! Make Gericault a moderator...or at least give the site a new look...



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