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Enchantment Killer

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Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 10:36 am

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

Cast Enchanted Evening to make every permanent an Enchantment.

Tortoise Formation your creatures giving them shroud and Tempest of light every other permanent.

If you had enough big creatures out, Kill them. they have nothing.

You lose all your lands.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 10:56am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It won't work. Shroud doesn't protect from mass destruction.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 11:00am

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

what are you 10. shroud makes it to where they are no longer enchantments.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 11:00am

Danielone
Posts: 42
Joined: 31-Mar-10

that's right, shroud only works when the card says "target", for example:

Destroy target creature.

Destroy target land.

Regenerate target artifact.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 11:02am

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

do you guys play Magic professionally?
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 11:08am

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

I like to put 4 of each in a White and Blue deck.


Maybe even an Elspeth, Knight-Errant so I can make all my creatures indistructable.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 11:24am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Listen, I am 13, yet I know more about Magic than you. Feel so smart now?
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 12:03pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2610
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Really blue2 by saying do you play magic professionally and by nature of your name I doubt you play professionally this doesn't work enchanted evening targets nothing.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 1:58pm

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

Tempest of Light is a Spell that cant target any enchantment (or creature that been turned enchantment) that has shroud.

Shall we seek a judge?
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:03pm

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

what does someones name have to do with it?

twogunkid
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:18pm

Danielone
Posts: 42
Joined: 31-Mar-10

Pimpyblue, when was the last time you read the rules?? if you don't understand something, you should read this:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/rules/EN_Magic_Basic_Rulebook_20090710.pdf


[Edited by Danielone on 11/Apr/10 at 2:19PM]
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:22pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

enchanted evening and tempest of light are global effects, that effect everything in play.  please note the following rules,

113.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it’s not a target

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As you can see from the rules of shroud, as well as tortises reminder text, you can be the "Target"  of spells, however, as you can also see the word target needs to be in the text of the spell to be a target, such as with naturalize, since temptest does not nor does enchanted evening.  they do not target so shroud will not help your best bet is to use the enchantment that makes other enchantments indestrutable
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:25pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

And lets back off blue, there are people who have been playing for years who don't know all the rules, just check out some of the older posts,
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:30pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

I still get confused by spell stack
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:34pm

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

where'd those rules come from? Are you a judge?

I;m not trying to start shit but I've played that combo in tornament and no one has ever stoped me from using it.

and I cant find those rules listed anywhere, (I'm speaking about the target rule).

I'm sure I can find a green enchantment that will protect my enchantment/creatures.

If someone can absolutly prove it a rule, I'll pull this combo and post with something else.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 2:56pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

The rules quoted came from the comprehesive rules, updated on Feburary 1, 2010.  They are available on the Magic website or you can follow this link:  http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20100201.doc

The numbers to the left of the rules are where you will find the information in the rules
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 3:02pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

My good sir, do you really need to have a ruling from a judge (most of which hate having to repeat this type of thing over and over again).  When Magic the gathering was designed to be followed by the exact wording.  Now, the most current wording of shroud is: "Cannot be the target of spells or abilities."  So in the case of a global destruction spell, it says nothing along the lines of "target" it just happens.  If it helps to think of it this way, shroud just makes it so that the creature can't be aimed at, but if you're throwing a nuke down, then it is dead regardless of the the fact that it can't be aimed at (because it's a nuke).  Now, I know that a lot of people at tornaments would simply go with it, for fear of being wrong (especilaily in smaller ones) really, just because some people didn't call you out on it, doesn't mean that it works.

If you can't see the logic and you refuse to believe the rulings be thrown at you, be my guest.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 3:27pm

Pimpyblue2
Posts: 5
Joined: 27-May-09

your right. I will revise.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 3:31pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2610
Joined: 22-Jan-10

why is everyone dissing my name as of late?
Date Posted: Sun Apr/11/10 at 6:46pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

Wow Pimpy.....realize that when you post a combo or a general post, we are members of this site because we like to get ideas from other people as well as offer help to others. Don't get so defensive.....we are simply pointing out the flaw in your idea to help you, not to bash you.

I am a MTG veteran, but I still have confusion on the rules sometimes. What the others are telling you is correct.....shroud protects permanents from being "targetted", not from mass non-targetting destruction. Just as any pro-white creature is not protected from a mass effect like Wrath of God.

A good alternative would be to use Enchanted Evening with a spell like Spring Cleaning. This would destroy your opponents enchants, without affecting your own. I use this in my G/W enchantress deck.
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 12:46am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

you can get defensive from my post if you like Pimpy.  Because you sir, are a moron.

as for the "do you play magic competitively"  ive played in more PTQs than Years youve been alive, most likely.  I spent 4 years as a L2 Judge, judging local and state competitions with prizes ranging from  as little as 20 dollars to as much as 5k. 

Even I tend to be wrong about rulings, as I stopped playing for awhile and alot changed.  But what you were trying to say is a basic rule that has been around since the beginning of the game, but has had to be clarified about 20000000000000000000 different times, until it was pretty much spelled out word-for-word back in the Comp Rules when 5th Edition came out.

So when people, in mass, tell you that you are wrong, and even explain several times how and why, dont get defensive.  Get Informed, and make sure that it isnt YOU who is wrong after all, and try to claim that youre a professional player, when you would get destroyed by the special needs class at your local high school.  (that reminds me, Retard Strength should be a green creature buffing instant.)

Also, Youre a Festigio. (Obscure cartoon reference ftw.)

But dont let this little "tiff" or w/e you want to call our discussion throw you off or discourage you from posting, just please be a little more open to being corrected, and less defensive, and you will have a fine time here.

Also, Turbine smells funny.  :)
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 12:49am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Oh man, am I reading right? Blue2 plays professionally and he doesn't know what shroud means... WTF man! Don't make a fool out of yourself by saying that... Well, almost everyone here knows what shroud does or at least what it means...
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 6:11am

darkangel
Posts: 7
Joined: 02-Apr-10

WOW! even the slow 12 year old that just got into magic at the game shop i go to even knows what shroud means. so that says alot about you now doesn't.
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 6:30am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Wow this thread deteriorated into a slagfest quickly...

Anyway, Pimpy, I would recommend reading the rules, and also reading the cards you posted very carefully. And obviously not going to another tournament with those organizers since their judges clearly no nothing.
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 6:59am

Phagegroopie
Posts: 117
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Now I know why Yu-Gi-Oh exists :P
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 11:21am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

as someone who took a shot at pimpy, i would like to say that now we need to lay off pimpy lol
Date Posted: Mon Apr/12/10 at 11:58am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Hold on now, i haven't got my turn yet.
Date Posted: Tue Apr/13/10 at 3:03pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Why should we lay off him? Even when we posted the rules, he didn't believe us. We had to post the rules twice before he even listened.

[Edited by Turbine on 13/Apr/10 at 3:03PM]
Date Posted: Tue Apr/13/10 at 4:38pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

so what if he didn't believe us thats his right just as its yours, as far as he was concerned he played it in a tournment it was not questioned so it must be legal.  especially when you consider the fact there have been 12 versions of the rules just in the past 4 years, is it any wonder people sometimes question them.
Date Posted: Tue Apr/13/10 at 8:06pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

"Do you guys play Magic professionally?" "what are you 10" "Shall we seek a judge?" "where'd those rules come from? Are you a judge?" He has done nothing but ask questions. Maybe if he had asked a judge himself, he would have learned how to  actually play Magic.

However, I am willing to get along with Blue if he becomes less touchy.
Date Posted: Tue Apr/13/10 at 8:28pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Peace, Turbine... Peace!
Date Posted: Wed Apr/14/10 at 3:12am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

But i have to agree with turbine... I mean, Blue2 claims that he did that combo on tournaments or something... Well, i think that tournament he was talking about was not official tournament... There are plenty in our area...

Do you think that we will just listen to you even if you say that you already did that on a tournament... Dude, I only played one (i repeat, just one FNM event) and even before I played in that event, i already know this rule...

The fact that you keep on boasting that you already did that on a tournament, well it makes us look at you like you're either Playing a different game, you haven't read a single word on a MtG rulebook, you haven't played a real competitive game yet, the judge on that tournament was blind, deaf and/or an idiot or you are an idiot... Well, it's up to you to choose which is which...




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