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Combo Name: ¿¿Win game first turn?? Submitted By: Danielone
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Disciple of the Vault
 Creature - Human Cleric B 1/1 Mirrodin, Common

Welding Jar
 Artifact 0 Mirrodin, Common

Swamp
 Land Urza's Saga, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $0.58
Date Posted: Fri Apr/09/10 at 9:23 am

Danielone
Posts: 42
Joined: 31-Mar-10

You should understand,

Swamp, DOTV, two welding jar, sac 1 and regenerate any other a artifact, then sac 2 one to regenerate 1, and one of them is placed in graveyard to regenerate the other, repeat until your opponent has no life.

Now it works!!



[Edited by Danielone on 9/Apr/10 at 9:46AM]
Date Posted: Fri Apr/09/10 at 9:31am

d41c
Posts: 5
Joined: 09-Apr-10

Sorry. Sacrificing welding jar doesn't destroy it. You can only regenerate when it will be destroyed.

701.13. Sacrifice
701.13a To sacrifice a permanent, its controller moves it from the battlefield directly to its owner’s graveyard. A player can’t sacrifice something that isn’t a permanent, or something that’s a permanent he or she doesn’t control. Sacrificing a permanent doesn’t destroy it, so regeneration or other effects that replace destruction can’t affect this action.

701.11. Regenerate
701.11a If the effect of a resolving spell or ability regenerates a permanent, it creates a replacement effect that protects the permanent the next time it would be destroyed this turn. In this case, “Regenerate [permanent]” means “The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If it’s an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat.”
Date Posted: Fri Apr/09/10 at 10:01am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Again, as pointed out, WRONG!

Regenerate does not work with Sacrifice.

Learn the rules.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/09/10 at 10:18am

d41c
Posts: 5
Joined: 09-Apr-10

Sorry bud, sacrificing a permanent does not destroy it, and regenerate only prevents destruction.

This is just to hopefully help you understand how it all works.
So lets say you had disciple of vault out and you had an ornithopter out (just for example) and a welding jar.
You get attacked with a 3/3 and defend with your 0/2 ornithopter.
You decide to sac the welding jar to regenerate the ornithopter.
All damage would then be removed from the ornithopter it would become tapped and removed from combat.

Now since you sac'd welding jar it is put into the graveyard from the battlefield. You may have an opponent lose one life, but only one because the ornithopter never went to the grave yard.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/09/10 at 1:33pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Listen, you cannot regenerate a sacrificed creature. It is as simple as that! 



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