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Kraj, planeswalker or creature?

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Doubling Season

{4}{G}

Enchantment

Ravnica: City of Guilds

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If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead. If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

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Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 5:24 pm

Turbine
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A rewrite of Shakii's combo that let's you put counters on Experiment Kraj. Ignore the Treespeaker. Make Gideon a creature, then put a +1/+1 counter on him. Fate Transfer moves the counters from Gideon to Experiment Kraj. Gilder Bairn and Doubling Season help for more counters.


[Edited by Turbine on 5/Apr/10 at 5:25PM]
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:21pm

gericault5
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what will that do if you use fate transfer on gidion it moves all of his loyality counters to kraj and he goes to the grave and kraj has a bunch of loyality counters he can't do anything with.  Just use kraj to play the +2 ability to get the counters and keep gidion
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:36pm

Turbine
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The question is, would Kraj die, since he haud 0 loyalty counters? If he would, then in response, you can use Fate Transfer.
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:47pm

gericault5
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kraj is not a planeswalker loyalty counters mean nothing to him other then a cost of using planeswalker abilities. so no having 0 counters would not kill him
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 7:39pm

Turbine
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Oh yeah, but what about cards like Clone that come into play as a copy of Gideon? Would the Clone become a planeswalker at end of turn? Would they both die when it came into play, because there were two planeswalkers in play?
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 8:41pm

gericault5
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since gidion creature ability states he is still a planeswalker, they both will die due to the planeswalker uniqueness rule if you try to clone,

On the same note when he is a creature you can target him with mirrorweave since he is not a legendary creature, this will kill all creatures on the board, basically wrath of god 5-8
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 11:34am

Astrala
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why would that kill all creatures on the board?
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 12:23pm

Turbine
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Because planeswalkers use a variation of the legendary rule.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:24pm

Astrala
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Even if it's copied as a creature?
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:43pm

Turbine
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It's still a planeswalker.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:55pm

Astrala
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Ahhh right. Just like copying a land creature just changes the copy into the land, not the creature. Good deal