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Combo Name: Kraj, planeswalker or creature? Submitted By: Turbine
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Doubling Season
 Enchantment 4G Ravnica: City of Guilds, Rare

Experiment Kraj
 Legendary Creature - Ooze Mutant 2GGUU 4/6 Dissension, Rare

Fate Transfer
 Instant 1(U/B) Shadowmoor, Common

Gilder Bairn
 Creature - Ouphe 1(G/U)(G/U) 1/3 Eventide, Uncommon
Estimated Combo Cost: $10.32
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 5:24 pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09




A rewrite of Shakii's combo that let's you put counters on Experiment Kraj. Ignore the Treespeaker. Make Gideon a creature, then put a +1/+1 counter on him. Fate Transfer moves the counters from Gideon to Experiment Kraj. Gilder Bairn and Doubling Season help for more counters.


[Edited by Turbine on 5/Apr/10 at 5:25PM]
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:21pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

what will that do if you use fate transfer on gidion it moves all of his loyality counters to kraj and he goes to the grave and kraj has a bunch of loyality counters he can't do anything with.  Just use kraj to play the +2 ability to get the counters and keep gidion
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:36pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

The question is, would Kraj die, since he haud 0 loyalty counters? If he would, then in response, you can use Fate Transfer.
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 6:47pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

kraj is not a planeswalker loyalty counters mean nothing to him other then a cost of using planeswalker abilities. so no having 0 counters would not kill him
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 7:39pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Oh yeah, but what about cards like Clone that come into play as a copy of Gideon? Would the Clone become a planeswalker at end of turn? Would they both die when it came into play, because there were two planeswalkers in play?
Date Posted: Mon Apr/05/10 at 8:41pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

since gidion creature ability states he is still a planeswalker, they both will die due to the planeswalker uniqueness rule if you try to clone,

On the same note when he is a creature you can target him with mirrorweave since he is not a legendary creature, this will kill all creatures on the board, basically wrath of god 5-8
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 11:34am

Astrala
Posts: 3
Joined: 06-Feb-12

why would that kill all creatures on the board?
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 12:23pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Because planeswalkers use a variation of the legendary rule.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:24pm

Astrala
Posts: 3
Joined: 06-Feb-12

Even if it's copied as a creature?
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:43pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It's still a planeswalker.
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 1:55pm

Astrala
Posts: 3
Joined: 06-Feb-12

Ahhh right. Just like copying a land creature just changes the copy into the land, not the creature. Good deal



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