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Combo Name: Cast all cards from Opponent's Decks Submitted By: TheCaptain
Card Name
Type
Cost
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Doubling Season
 Enchantment 4G Ravnica: City of Guilds, Rare

Wheel of Sun and Moon
 Enchantment - Aura (G/W)(G/W) Shadowmoor, Rare

Jace, the Mind Sculptor
 Planeswalker - Jace 2UU Worldwake, Mythic
Estimated Combo Cost: $69.37
Date Posted: Wed Oct/24/12 at 10:19 pm

The following users like this post:
Boyachi, Chewy, Dusk

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

This is actually Jace, Architect of Though

With wheel and season out in play, cast Jace. He comes into play with 8 counters instead of 4 because of Season, so you can use his ultimate the turn he comes into play. Use it, casting a card from your opponent's library.

Now when you activate Jace's ability, he'll die, and Wheel will cycle him under your library. All this will happen before his ability resolves. Meaning that you can find that same Jace and cast him with his own ability. Once he comes back out (with 8 counters again), you can rinse and repeat until you've taken all (nonland) cards from opponent's library.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 5:34am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

very very very nice. Congrats!-)
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:14am

XxMeizterxX
Posts: 112
Joined: 01-Nov-11

Wow, It figures that my friends asked me if it would resolves before those abilities. Now i can confirm without a doubt that the new jace is very powerful
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 3:26pm

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

Wow, I love this and would love to play it in a Modern deck though I know it'd never be competitive :)
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 10:19pm

darth_rayne
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-Oct-12

umm, sorry but this wont work. doubling season says "if an effect would place one or more..."

jace comes in with four counters on him. they were attached when he was cast, not after he was cast.

wont work
Date Posted: Thu Oct/25/12 at 11:07pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Sorry, Darth Rayne, but you are in fact mistaken. Here's a ruling from Doubling Season:

10/1/2005 Doubling Season affects cards that "enter the battlefield with" a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would enter the battlefield with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.

Now here's a rule regarding Planeswalkers:

306.5b A planeswalker is treated as if its text box included, “This permanent enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to its printed loyalty number.”

This ability creates a replacement effect. Now it's important to note that using a Planeswalker's ability will NOT double the counters you would normally get because the addition or loss of loyalty counters is a cost associated with activating that ability, and not an effect, which is what Doubling Season works with.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/26/12 at 12:07pm

darth_rayne
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-Oct-12

according to doubling season, if an effect would put one or more counters.....  doesnt the plansewalker come in with the counters attached? this wouldnt be an effect would it? just trying to clarify


[Edited by darth_rayne on 26/Oct/12 at 12:08PM]
Date Posted: Tue Jan/28/14 at 10:18pm

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

This response is a little bit dated, but I thought it would be relevant to clear up the lingering question. When it comes to Planeswalker Loyalty counters, it can get them from either a Cost or Effect. For Costs you can identify them as everything that is written before the ':' on the activate ability. Even though there's no ':' printed on the card, it is inferred by the fact it's a planeswalker and all text versions of the card mention it with the ':'; a +1 ability is written as "+1: (effect)".

This means Activating ANY of the Planeswalker Abilities on the Planeswalker will not add counters unless they are added on the resolution of the ability such as in Gideon, Champion of Justice and that brings us to Effects. An Effect is everything else that would place counters on the permanent, ie. something that Affects it and is not a Cost is an Effect. Using the example of Gideon, if you had a Doubling Season on the Battlefield, activating the first ability would put 1 counter on him for the Cost, the ability would be on the stack, and when it resolves would place 1 counter for each creature your opponent controls which is then doubled to 2. If they control 2 creatures, this would net a gain of 5 counters (1+2*2).

Going back to Jace, if a Planeswalker is entering the battlefield, the action will be modified by the fact it is a Planeswalker entering and the Effect will place a number of counters on the permanent equal to it's loyalty, and this action, being an effect, will be modified to double those counters that would be placed for a total of 8. It works and gets really ugly when you can CAST your opponents library, including Eldrazi like Emrakul and Ulamog if they're there!

Also, it may be worth mentioning that because you're searching a hidden zone (you search but it isn't revealed to all players), you can fail to find a card in either library. Useful knowledge if you are very low on cards in your library and don't want to make it smaller or the only card left for you to cast in your opponent's library is Phage the Untouchable... Unless your under the influence of a Mindslaver.

[Edited by Squillis on 28/Jan/14 at 10:22PM]
Date Posted: Mon Feb/03/14 at 1:42am

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

This is insane! Very nice!



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