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Combo Name: More Quicksilver Nonsense Submitted By: TheCaptain
Card Name
Type
Cost
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Gemstone Array
 Artifact 4 Fifth Dawn, Uncommon

Quicksilver Elemental
 Creature - Elemental 3UU 3/4 Mirrodin, Rare

Soulbright Flamekin
 Creature - Elemental Shaman 1R 2/1 Lorwyn, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $0.85
Date Posted: Mon May/21/12 at 11:15 am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Much like my previous combo, this capitalizes on Quicksilver Elemental's ability to target itself and make new copies of old abilities. Again, we get infinite mana, this time of any color.
Date Posted: Mon May/21/12 at 11:37am

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

For those that may not see it,

Quicksilver targets the Elemental
Quicksilver get Elemental's ability
Activate the ability to give the Quicksilver trample 3 times
Third ability resolves and adds RRRRRRRR to your mana pool
Use RR to add a charge counter to the Gemstone Array
Use a charge counter to get a blue mana
Use the blue mana to have the Quicksilver target the Elemental again
Quicksilver gets a new instance of the Elemental's ability (this one hasn't been activated yet)
Activate the new ability to get the Quicksilver trample 3 times using the RRRRRR left in the pool
Third ability resolves and adds RRRRRRRR to your mana pool
Repeat.

Now as I see it it doesn't actually give you a positive mana gain, it just keeps paying for itself.  I think you'd need something like Training Grounds to reduce the cost of activating the trample ability.
Date Posted: Mon May/21/12 at 12:00pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Squillis, it actually is a positive gain, you're missing the best part of this.

Each time you activate the Quicksilver's copying ability, you get all copies of each ability. The first time pays for itself. The second time you do it, it pays for itself again. BUT NOW, it has TWO COPIES of the Flamekin's ability, so if you use the copying ability on itself again, it gains 2 more copies, then 4 more copies, then 8, then 16 and so on and so forth. Eventually it has infinite copies of this ability, and then each ability will pay for itself along with an addition to the Gemstone array, giving you infinite counters on the gemstone, and therefore infinite mana of any color. I can explain it in even further detail if anyone is still confused.
Date Posted: Mon May/21/12 at 3:22pm

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

Ahh, I see.  Because you won't have to pay to duplicate the ability you'll net 1 mana for each instance beyond the first that it copies.  So to gain 26 mana you'll activate the duplicate ability 5 times (once targeting the Flamekin, 4 times targeting the Quicksilver) and have activated 93 instances of the Flamekin's ability triggering it 31 times.  Wow, it's a lot more complicated than it looks, but going factoral with your math is fun ;)
Date Posted: Tue May/22/12 at 8:51pm

demolt1313
Posts: 39
Joined: 26-Aug-11

I hate to be a downer because this is really cool, but I don't think it works... The flamekin specifically says if it is the third time activated this turn... not every third time activate... that's why the flamekin isn't infinite mana within itself.... idk I could be reading the explanation wrong but this doesn't look like infinite mana to me... really cool though...
Date Posted: Tue May/22/12 at 9:36pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Demolt,

The quicksilver is getting the ability multiple times. It activates the ability only three times, then it gets another copy of that same ability. This new ability is like if you were to blink a creature you Sneak Attacked in. It's the same creature, but it's seen as a different one. The ability is the same ability, but it each copy can be triggered three times each to gain mana. I probably didn't explain it very well though.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/28/12 at 4:37am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

I disagree and say it does not work.

  • 10/1/2007: When the ability resolves, it counts the number of times that same ability from that this creature has already resolved that turn. It doesn't matter who controlled the creature or the previous abilities when they resolved. A copy of this ability (created by Rings of Brighthearth, for example) will count toward the total. Abilities from other creatures with the same name don't count towards the total. Neither does an ability that's been countered.
  • 10/1/2007: You get the bonus only the third time the ability resolves. You won't get the bonus the fourth, fifth, sixth, or any subsequent times.
    • Since you don`t flicker the quichsilver elem. the mana is produced only once. Also I'm not sure whether this part of the text (if this is the third time...) belongs to the activated ability and is therefore copied by QE or whether this is a triggered ability and not copied by QE.
    Date Posted: Sun Oct/28/12 at 10:35pm

    gericault5
    Posts: 2788
    Joined: 13-Oct-09

    @knarf- the 3rd time part is part of the ability so it will be copied as well.

    However copied is not the right word, and what is creating the confusion with the rings,

    The elemental gains the ability multiple times, with each time being a seperate instance not related to the others.  since there is no relation each one can gain you the mana after the 3rd activation. to quote rue 112.2  If an object has multiple instances of the same ability, each instance functions independently.



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