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Minion of Non-Wastes

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Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 4:50 pm

Overdark
Posts: 29
Joined: 30-Dec-11

I came across a Minion of the Wastes card in my collection that I didn't know I had.  I thought I'd research some fun cards to go with it.  Angelic Chorus is especially cool since you don't get screwed if it gets Unsummoned or something once it's in play.  Cradle of Vitality and Sanguine Bond are some nice bonuses.  The big risk is still having it countered, since you'd lose the life and not get the benefit.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 6:10pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I was always a fan of Minion, but not because of what it did, but because of all the great cards it goes with.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 7:58pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Ah Cradle of Vitality. How I love you.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 9:44pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

If it was countered, you wouldn't lose life. The ability triggers upon entering the battlefield.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 9:58pm

bolobasher
Posts: 99
Joined: 28-Feb-12

so lets say u have chorus and snguine out pay 19 life, gain it back, and opponent loses 19 life ? hopeing player isnt playing burn it would be awesome lol

 
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 10:19pm

Overdark
Posts: 29
Joined: 30-Dec-11



@Turbine - That would be awesome if the effect triggered after if came into play, but the special rulings from the gatherer say: "The
life is paid as an additional cost at the time of casting. If Minion of
the Wastes is countered, you don't get the life back."  That makes it a much more risky card, but it's still a fun card either way.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 10:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

The fuck? Wizards changed the entire rulings system for just one card. Fuck you, Wizards. Fuck you!
Date Posted: Wed Mar/14/12 at 10:48pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

No, the ruling makes sense. Read the card. "When you PLAY Minion of Wastes, pay any amount of life". We all know they changed play to cast. So its when you CAST it, so it makes sense that its an additional cost. They probably just added to extra words to prevent confusion.
Date Posted: Thu Mar/15/12 at 10:03am

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

@Thecaptain, Overdark, and Turbine

Official Oracle Wording from the Gatherer:

"As Minion of the Wastes enters the battlefield, pay any amount of life.
Minion of the Wastes's power and toughness are each equal to the life paid as it entered the battlefield."

The first line is not an activated or triggered ability, it is a static ability that modifies how it enters the battlefield.  This can be determined by the sentence beginning with the word 'As'.  Triggered abilities begin with 'When', 'Whenever', or 'At'; Activated Abilites always contain a ':' in the format of : where the cost is always paid as the ability goes on the stack; Static Abilities often begin with 'As' and 'If' and are formatted 'If' ', instead' or 'As' ', ' .  This works in much the same way as Bramblewood Paragon in that there is never a point where it is on the Stack where you pay life, or a point where it is on the Battlefield and you haven't elected an amount of and payed life.

Because of this, if the spell were countered you would not lose any life.  This means the card works especially well in this combo, good find!  Always look at the card wording as some of the rulings on the card may be for dated text. 


[Edited by Squillis on 15/Mar/12 at 10:04AM]
Date Posted: Thu Mar/15/12 at 10:25am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I'm not entirely sold still. The ruling certianly seems to say one thing, and the wording seems to say another. I would love to have Zark or Gericault voice their opinions on the matter.

[Edited by TheCaptain on 15/Mar/12 at 10:26AM]
Date Posted: Thu Mar/15/12 at 10:27am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Captain I understand what you are saying, but I can see the confusion as well

Look at culling the weak, caller of the hunt, or abadon hope the errta text has been change to include the phrase- As an additonal cost, Minion doesn't have that text instead it has- As it enters the battlefield- compare this text to cards like adaptive automation or entropic scepter.  When you look at the rules for both those cards they say the same thing, the choice is made at resolution, which is when the choice for minion should be made as well based on the errata

The rules that are given to the card don't match the errted text.

As for losing life if countered I am more inclined to say that the errtaed text is the messed up part, based on what captain said earlier-about cast and play.  Orignal text supports the ruling plus the date is relativly recent for the ruling making sense for it to be what the card was suppose to do. 

But ultimatly go with house rules.  With my group you would lose the life because that is what the rule says, other groups might say "no chose at resolution" which is no life lost.  Just choose a side and beable to defend it
[Edited by gericault5 on 15/Mar/12 at 11:00AM]

[Edited by gericault5 on 15/Mar/12 at 11:02AM]




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