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Isochron Scepter

{2}

Artifact

Mirrodin

Read rules for Isochron Scepter
Imprint — When this artifact enters, you may exile an instant card with mana value 2 or less from your hand. {2}, {T}: You may copy the exiled card. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

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Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 6:21 pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

As long as you have four mana, your opponent will think twice before playing spells on your turn.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 6:34pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

WOW, where are all these awesome cards coming from?

I've never seen Seedtime.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:01pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

sorry no dice  the spell is already cast before you can change its color

you can use painters servant to make them blue before they are cast or use alter reality or another text changer to change seedtime to the color being played
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:13pm

Boyachi
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Joined: 02-Nov-11

Seedtime says play, not cast. Cast means it just has to make it to the stack, play means it has to successfully resolve.

At least that is how it used to work. I hope M12 hasn't changed that up.

Edit: Well, they changed Seedtime to say cast, but in the errata they said that the blue spell only had to be announced, and didn't even have to resolve...so... That means you are right, gericault5.
Sorry guys, My errata fail.

[Edited by Boyachi on 23/Feb/12 at 8:21PM]
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:17pm

gericault5
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Joined: 13-Oct-09

m12 didn't change it m10 did, cast and play mean the same thing

 


[Edited by gericault5 on 23/Feb/12 at 8:18PM]
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:22pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Cast (/play) just means that the mana is payed for the spell and it is put on the stack, it doesnt need to resolve! But yeah, this doesnt work! Props for using urza though!
Date Posted: Fri Feb/24/12 at 7:54pm

darthnefas
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I think they should change the rules to the following:

Playing - The time between a permanent materializing (meaning its mana has been paid, but not the expenses in the card text) and becoming a permanent on the field or effects have totally resolved. So if you countered the spell any "playing" effects don't resolve.

Cast - The time when mana is transferred from your mana pool into a card in hand 'til the moment it becomes permanent. In the case of cards that have text cost if you are paying the text cost then the spell is considered permanent and uncountable and was played.
Date Posted: Fri Feb/24/12 at 8:26pm

PinkiePie
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Joined: 10-Sep-11

That would be ridiculously overcomplicated....!
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 12:34pm

darthnefas
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lol, and you're saying the rules aren't currently overcomplicated?

If you've noticed, we have one guy that's a rules guy on here because none of us can keep up with it! lol
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 3:15pm

PinkiePie
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Joined: 10-Sep-11

Thats because nobody reads the basic rules, and then they complain that the rules are overcomplicated!
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 3:19pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

Are you talking about Zark?
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 3:22pm

PinkiePie
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Joined: 10-Sep-11

I think he was talking about geri...!
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 4:44pm

Boyachi
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Joined: 02-Nov-11

I thought that was how casting and playing used to be, but apparently they simplified it. Damn them simplifying and getting rid of mana burn. Do they realize how many cards they made useless and how powerful they made other cards because of them wishing for simplicity.
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 9:12pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

I don't remember a time when playing and casting were different. . .

Getting rid of mana burn was to make it easier for new players. Taking the stack out of combat really bothered me though.
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 9:54pm

PinkiePie
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They never were, wiz just changed what it was called!
Date Posted: Sat Feb/25/12 at 9:57pm

Turbine
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That's what I thought!
Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 3:20pm

darthnefas
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Wizards has no idea what they're doing. They're just doing it to sell more cards, which is why games have house rules because we all go, "you did what?"
Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 5:55pm

Turbine
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They seem to have a pretty good idea of what they're doing with Magic, at least.
Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 6:23pm

PinkiePie
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Your games have house rules?! That doesnt sound like wizards problem....! Sounds like a problem with your house!
Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 6:51pm

Turbine
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But all my drinks are on the house! There can't be anything wrong with it!
Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 8:04pm

PinkiePie
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Why did the guy bring a ladder to the party?!

CAUSE HE HEARD THE DRINKS WERE ON THE HOUSE!


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Date Posted: Sun Feb/26/12 at 8:28pm

Turbine
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That's so funny I forgot to SCREAM. . .




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