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Plasma Swans

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Chain of Plasma

{1}{R}

Instant

Onslaught

Read rules for Chain of Plasma
Chain of Plasma deals 3 damage to any target. Then that player or that permanent's controller may discard a card. If the player does, they may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.

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Conflagrate

{X}{X}{R}

Sorcery

Time Spiral

Read rules for Conflagrate
Conflagrate deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of targets. Flashback—{R}{R}, Discard X cards. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

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Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 3:03 pm

Marminad
Posts: 30
Joined: 22-Feb-12

Not sure if this works but if it does it would be awesome.  If it does not work, I would love to learn why not.

Target swans with chain of plasma.  Draw three cards.  Discard a card to copy chains of plasma.  Rinse/repeat. 

Result draw as many cards as you like.  Draw into a finisher like conflagrate which you could discard then use to discard your hand.  Also having simian spirit guides in your deck could help you cast your finisher.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 3:09pm

ztrainjetsfan
Posts: 25
Joined: 21-Feb-12

I don't see any reason why this wouldn't work, that combo is pretty crazy. Too bad you can't play Conflagrate as an instant. Then you would be able to win on anyone's turn.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 5:11pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

I dont see a reason why either

I think I may make a Madness deck from this though =o
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 6:35pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Something with Storm?
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 6:39pm

ztrainjetsfan
Posts: 25
Joined: 21-Feb-12

Grape shot ftw!!!
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 6:46pm

ztrainjetsfan
Posts: 25
Joined: 21-Feb-12

This is a turn 5 win deck waiting to happen.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 8:17pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I'm pretty sure that Storm wouldn't do anything. Storm refers to spells that are cast each turn, and when you copy a spell, it doesn't trigger things like "whenever you cast a spell". Copying isn't the same as casting I believe.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 8:46pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

captain-you are correct storm will not build as copies are not cast

and this works fine
Date Posted: Wed Feb/22/12 at 9:12pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Niv Mizzet/Psychosis Crawler anyone?
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:06am

Marminad
Posts: 30
Joined: 22-Feb-12

Somebody help me break this down.  So the swans trigger will go on the stack as soon as the first copy of chain of plasma deals damage to it right?  My concern is when does the copy of chain go on the stack and when do you have to discard a card.

 In order to copy chains does a player have to discard a card upon resolution of the first chains?  If so, wouldn't that mean you discarded a card before swan's trigger even goes on the stack? 

Continuing with this logic: After resolution of chains the swan trigger and the copy of chains should go on the stack.  In what order do they go on?  Is it up to you since you control both effects?

How exactly does this combo work mechanically?
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 8:17am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Step by step:

1) Play Swans
2) Play Chain
3) Draw cards
4) Discard and copy
5) ???
6) PROFIT
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 10:19am

Marminad
Posts: 30
Joined: 22-Feb-12

yeah that's what I want it do do but how does it actually work on the stack?  Wouldn't the discarding of a card and copying of chain of plasma actually occur during the resolution of the first chain of plasma?  In other words, before swans ability is even triggered.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 10:46am

ztrainjetsfan
Posts: 25
Joined: 21-Feb-12

Swan's ability is triggered when you play chains because of the word "then" in the card effect the damage happens first and then draw cards, then discard to copy.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 10:47am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Swans ability is not a trigger. It is a type of replacement effect known as a prevention effect. When an event is replaced the replacement occurs at the time the event would have happened. In this case drawing cards replaces the damage.
So chains resolves damage is dealt however you draw instead. Chains continues to resolve allowing the discard
Date Posted: Thu Feb/23/12 at 12:08pm

Marminad
Posts: 30
Joined: 22-Feb-12

Thanks for the great answer.  I've learned something today : )