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Knowledge Pool

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Artifact

Mirrodin Besieged

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Imprint — When this artifact enters, each player exiles the top three cards of their library. Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it. If the player does, they may cast a spell from among other cards exiled with this artifact without paying its mana cost.

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Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 6:30 pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Play teferi, then pool! Your opponent cant play spells! Yay!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 7:18pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

The first time someone did this to me, I did not believe that it worked in the slightest. It took quite a bit of convincing.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 7:35pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Yeah its kinda weird!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:03pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

im missing something here, explain please
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:20pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

When they cast the spell, knowledge pool triggers, allowing them to cast the spell, but because of teferi, they cant cast it because you can only cast a sorcery when the stack is empty!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:22pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

but isnt the stack clear?
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:26pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

No, because the only time you can cast the spell is when the knowledge pool trigger that lets you cast the spell is there! I guess its easier to understand if you use omen machine...!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:27pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Oh ok, I think I understand it
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 10:37pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

I like this.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:49am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

This seems like a design oversight on wizards part, but DAMN that is cool.


I knew that this combo looked familiar, someone did post it, but before knowledge pool was in the database.


[Edited by Lin sivvi on 6/Jan/12 at 10:11AM]
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 2:52pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Wizards doesnt mind hard locks!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 3:40pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Definitely a wording problem here. The important words are, "choose to cast a spell".

I think we should fall back on the base rules that say the card rules are predominant.

It does say, "can choose to cast another spell" which means that since you're in that cards ruling area effect and the original spell was legal when you cast it then you should be able to cast the alternative spell, which is the spirit of the card.

That's just my call and I'm no judge because I hate how the rules work sometimes and this is just an example of that.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 4:16pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

So you think that all hard locks should be banned/wording-changed?! Should we change the wording on kismet and stasis?! This is an 11 mana combo that requires 3 blue! Its really not that bad!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 6/Jan/12 at 4:16PM]
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I usually like manipulating rules like this, but this seems to be going too far.

How do you know that the imprinted card is cast at instant speed? Because it is in response to an ability?
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:42pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

I dont understand whats so bad about this...! Its no worse than eray+arcane lab! (Actually it is, because this can be killed by a simple mouth of ronom!)
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:53pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Erato is obvious though. This clearly took a lot of thinking.
Date Posted: Sat Jan/07/12 at 1:35am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I think we should fall back on the base rules that say the card rules are predominant

Ironically falling back to the base rules is what this combo does.  You are right that being able to cast the card at that time is the spirit of the well.  In fact that is one of the nice things about the well it ignores all timing restrictions, creatures basically gain flash and all spells become instants.

however when comparing the interaction of two cards you need to look at both specifically in this case teferis only when you can cast a socercy text.  this creates a condition of when things can be cast. 

So when you cast a spell the well's ability asks "can you cast this spell" and 99.9% of the time the answer is yes, however, when teferi's around the ability asks that question and teferi then goes "hell no, your on the stack, my conditions aren't met"

And as you know one of the base rules of magic is that NO is always greater then YES

 

 




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