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everlastingly epic

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Panoptic Mirror

{5}

Artifact

Darksteel

Read rules for Panoptic Mirror
Imprint — {X}, {T}: You may exile an instant or sorcery card with mana value X from your hand. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy a card exiled with this artifact. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

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Eternal Dominion

{7}{U}{U}{U}

Sorcery

Saviors of Kamigawa

Read rules for Eternal Dominion
Search target opponent's library for an artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card. Put that card onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuffles. Epic (For the rest of the game, you can't cast spells. At the beginning of each of your upkeeps, copy this spell except for its epic ability. You may choose a new target for the copy.)

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Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 10:57 am

PharaohDante
Posts: 5
Joined: 12-Nov-11

ok i'm really asking a question rather than posting the combo itself. Let's say I use the panoptic mirror on eternal dominion. at the beginning of my next upkeep i use panoptic's ability to copy eternal dominion and cast it. blah blah blah steal steal steal. end turn, opponent's turn, then my turn again. At the beginning of my upkeep, the eternal dominion i cast last turn still has an epic effect. so at the beginning of my upkeep the eternal dominion that I copied last turn comes into effect and then I can use the panoptic mirror again to activate another eternal dominion. The continues each turn after and i keep continually being able to cast more and more eternal dominions each one of my upkeeps. coupled with paradox haze......does this work?
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 11:03am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

It doesnt work because youre casting the spell, its just free! However, if you copy the original spell with riku or reverberate, you get 2 copies every upkeep because both epics triggered! And if your using riku you can use his ability because it isnt a spell, and continue to copy them!
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 11:03am

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

i'm pretty sure the epic says you can't play spell for the rest of the game. i dont think this works you cast a copy of the spell with the mirror.                 

Damn you Pinky are you ever not online


[Edited by krowbar28 on 17/Dec/11 at 11:05AM]
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 11:44am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Pinkie might actually be online as much as me. . .
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 1:06pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

The kick in the teeth of Mirror, as well as Spellweaver helix, is the "If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost."

If it wasn't for that, you could have gotten away with it. *sigh* Meddlesome kids Wizards!
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 1:11pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I'm not sure. What happens when two ability contradict each other? I thought it had something to do with which card came into play first.

^^This is if Panoptic Mirror didn't say "may".
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 2:33pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Yea, im not online sometimes..! Im online fairly often thoguh! (>no life
If you have 2 dominions, you can have a leyline of anticipation out, then play the one on panoptic, then cast the other one in response and get two triggers that way! Twincast is easier though!
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 3:36pm

PharaohDante
Posts: 5
Joined: 12-Nov-11

having said that, I am actually unclear as to whether you pay for eternal dominion for it's epic ability. Just a ...little side question there.
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 3:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You're right. It doesn't say, without paying it's mana cost.
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 3:57pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Think about it! When you Reverberate a spell, do you pay the mana cost?!
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 4:18pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I never questioned whether you payed the mana cost. I was wondering why the wording is different.
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 7:33pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Sorry, it sounded like you were questioning it! And whenever youre copying a spell, you dont pay the mana cost!




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