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Cauldron of Souls

{5}

Artifact

Shadowmoor

Read rules for Cauldron of Souls
{T}: Choose any number of target creatures. Each of those creatures gains persist until end of turn. (When it dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)

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Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 2:43 am

MagicalHacker
Posts: 31
Joined: 03-Sep-11

pretty much the same except i got rid of disciple of the vault and made a way to destroy your own arcbound worker at the same time. also, its all colorless... :)
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 2:56am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

I'm not getting it... here's what I see happening:

Arcbound is a 0/0 with a +1/+1 counter on it.

Activate the artifact to give Arcbound persist.

Use Blasting Station by sacrificing the Arcbound--> do 1 damage

Bring back Arcbound with a +1/+1 counter AND a -1/-1 counter which cancel each other, leaving the 0/0 Arcbound without counters... it dies... but wait! We can sac it to the now untapped Blasting station --> do 1 damage.

Arcbound now stays in graveyard due to it forgetting all of who it was in previous life (including persist).
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 3:13am

MagicalHacker
Posts: 31
Joined: 03-Sep-11

it says "until end of turn"... :o
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 8:02am

Gregorius
Posts: 412
Joined: 01-Aug-10

There's a lot wrong with this.

• "End of turn" effects put on permanents are dispelled immediately if they leave the battlefield and come back, because they're treated as separate entities both times. (A creature with persist put onto it by a spell or ability only has persist once—until end of turn, or until it dies and returns to the battlefield. Also, see the ruling on Cauldron of Souls circa May 2008 below...)
"If a nontoken creature that gains persist this way is put into a graveyard, that card will be returned to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it. However, because it's a new object with no relation to its previous existence, the returned creature will not have persist."
• Counters nullify other like-numbered counters. (Arcbound Worker has 0/0 as its base power and toughness; if a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter are both on it, they cancel out, and the Worker remains 0/0 upon entry and dies.)
• Even if the Arcbound Worker had some way of surviving, you have no way of untapping Cauldron of Souls to give it persist again. You would likely need to include a Dross Scorpion or the combo for that.

[Edited by Gregorius on 17/Dec/11 at 8:03AM]
Date Posted: Sat Dec/17/11 at 8:18am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Yep, needs dross scorpion, and needs something that gets 2 or more counters!




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