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Combo Name: question....couldn't find an answer anywhere else Submitted By: Burning_Shadows
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Helm of Awakening
 Artifact 2 Visions, Uncommon

Blaze
 Sorcery XR 2/2 6th Edition, Uncommon
Estimated Combo Cost: $2.31
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 12:01 am

Burning_Shadows
Posts: 141
Joined: 28-Feb-10

if you have helm of awakening out and you play a card that costs X, such as blaze or any other out there...does that mean for whatever you payed X for it'd act as if you payed one more? since HoA allows you to play it for 1 generic less anyway...
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 10:42am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

no, helm only reduces the Absolute generic cost by 1, not a Variable cost.  Sorry :(

i asked this question myself about 16 years ago when i first started playing, and there still arent many ppl who know the answer, i had to ask a DCI Judge at PTQ's about it back during Urza's block.  Good question though, and thanks for asking :)

Hope my answer was helpful
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 10:54am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

The way it works is:

You announce you are playing Blaze and declare it's target and the value of X.

Since you have declared the value of X, the cost of the spell is calculated. e.g. if you pick 5 for X, the cost is 5R for Blaze.

You then apply anything which increases or decreases the cost. Helm of Awakening reduces the cost by 1.

You end up paying 4R, but Blaze still deals 5 damage.

(this is based on the current rules, which have changed since Urza's block)

http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20100201.txt

601 is the part of the rules regarding playing a spell, 601.2b has you declare variables, and 601.2e specifically deals with calculating the cost
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 11:19am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

REally? the rules have changed for MTG since Urzas?! I WASNT AWARE! WHO WOULDA THUNK IT! lol
i already had the Comp rules downloaded when wizards posted em  back in October :)

but i was NOT aware that they had changed THAT rule (about modular and variable costs), so you got me there lol
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 11:41am

Burning_Shadows
Posts: 141
Joined: 28-Feb-10

so paying 4 for X with helm of awakening would be as if you payed 5? cool...thanks guys
Date Posted: Sun Mar/07/10 at 11:46am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

essentialy yes

The second part of casting a spell is to choose the amount for the variables, ie. choose what the value of X is, in this case lets say x=10

2 or 3 parts of the casting procedures later is when you pay the cost.  so the cost would be 10R, however due to the helm you would only pay 9R.  This does not change the value that was chosen for X in part 2, so you will still do 10 damage



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