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Generate ALL the Mana v.2.0

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Simic InitiateEnlarge

Simic Initiate

{G}

Creature — Human Mutant

Dissension

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Graft 1 (This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it. Whenever another creature enters, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this creature onto it.)

0/0

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Safehold Elite

{1}{G/W}

Creature — Elf Scout

Shadowmoor

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Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)

2/2

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Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 9:44 am

Gregorius
Posts: 412
Joined: 01-Aug-10

Here, have another somewhat self-sufficient mana generator.
• Equip the Blade of the Bloodchief to the Simic Initiate.
• Sac the Safehold Elite to the Phyrexian Altar for one mana of any color.
• As the Elite dies, the Initiate gets another +1/+1 counter on it courtesy of the Blade.
• The Elite comes back thanks to persist, and you can graft a +1/+1 counter onto it from the Initiate.
Repeat as needed.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 12:17pm

Dunny Nighthawk
Posts: 41
Joined: 22-Jul-10

The +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 couners dont cancel eachother out, you would have both on the elf at the same time.

[Edited by Dunny Nighthawk on 13/Oct/11 at 12:17PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 12:26pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2610
Joined: 22-Jan-10

It has been updated to cancel out
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 12:26pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11


Comprehensive Rules:

"121.3. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it. See rule 704."
The counters cancel one with other.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 12:29pm

Dunny Nighthawk
Posts: 41
Joined: 22-Jul-10

My bad, to use to house rules from casual.


[Edited by Dunny Nighthawk on 13/Oct/11 at 12:29PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 2:10pm

Moose Springsteen
Posts: 28
Joined: 23-Dec-09

Juniper Order Ranger....i use him all the time with persist.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/13/11 at 10:54pm

Gregorius
Posts: 412
Joined: 01-Aug-10

Why, yes, Juniper Order Ranger would work. Thank you, Moose. It costs more, but the benefits are greater, I suppose... infinite free mana and an ∞/∞ creature, anyone?