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Reanimation Pandemonium

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Conspiracy

{3}{B}{B}

Enchantment

Time Spiral Timeshifted

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As this enchantment enters, choose a creature type. Creatures you control are the chosen type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.

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Nim Devourer

{3}{B}{B}

Creature — Zombie

Mirrodin

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This creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control. {B}{B}: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield, then sacrifice a creature. Activate only during your upkeep.

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Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 9:11 pm

Dakkon Thued
Posts: 312
Joined: 15-Mar-10

NEVER MIND!!! COMBO DOESN'T WORK AS IT IS!


[Edited by Dakkon Thued on 7/Oct/11 at 12:09AM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 10:23pm

Gregorius
Posts: 412
Joined: 01-Aug-10

I don't think sacrificing the Devourer as part of its ability is same as sacrificing it for the sake of the Basal Sliver's bestowed ability. With the Sliver, it's a cost; with the Devourer, it's an effect... so I'm pretty sure you don't get any sort of chain here.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 10:32pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

@Gregorius: As long Conspiracy is in play, the Nim is a silver that have the ability: '' sac for BB'' thanks to the Basal Silver.
So with this, an infinite engine is created: Sac the Nim for BB, return the Nim for BB, sac the Nim for BB, return the Nim.......
And because Pandemonium is in play, you can deal infinite damage to target player, since the Nim enter and reenter all the time in play.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 10:35pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Bitter ordeal could replace pandemonium, and would work better. . .
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 10:54pm

Gregorius
Posts: 412
Joined: 01-Aug-10

@ Torto: I may not have the same understanding as other people, but I'm saying that if you sacrifice a creature as the effect of an ability (which is forced upon you, see the Devourer's ability), it does not fulfill the cost of sacrificing a creature to generate mana (which you can choose to do whenever, see the Basal Sliver's ability).

It's like if you have a creature with two separate abilities that require it to be tapped; tapping that creature once won't activate both abilities. Or at least, that's my limited understanding.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 11:00pm

Bladelord00
Posts: 112
Joined: 13-Nov-08

I dont think this combo works.
You can sac the devourer for the 2 mana and then you pay the cost of its ability, then the effect would resolve and you would return him to play and then have sacrifice another creature before you are able to sac the devourer for the 2 black mana again.
Thats what i think.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 11:02pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I'm with gregorius on this one. Once an ability starts to resolve, it has to finish resolving before something else can be placed on the stack. So Nim is brought back into play, but then nothing can be done (like the basal-granted ability) until you sac a creature as a part of Nim's resurrection cost.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 11:02pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

MAN.... you're right! Actually don't work. If the Nim was exchanged for example for a Reassembling Skeleton, this would work, but since the Nim have a sacrifice in the cost of return, this don't work.
I shoulda read better the card 8 )
Date Posted: Fri Oct/07/11 at 12:05am

Dakkon Thued
Posts: 312
Joined: 15-Mar-10

Yeah you guys are right.  too be honest, I didn't read these very carefully.  u would need some way to get a token everytime.  I mean you could do it using intruder alarm and mana producers, but that's a little much I think/ 

sorry.  I guess I can't delete it/