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phage grenade

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Endless WhispersEnlarge

Endless Whispers

{2}{B}{B}

Enchantment

Fifth Dawn

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Each creature has "When this creature dies, choose target opponent. That player puts this card from its owner's graveyard onto the battlefield under their control at the beginning of the next end step."

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Phage the UntouchableEnlarge

Phage the Untouchable

{3}{B}{B}{B}{B}

Legendary Creature — Avatar Minion

Tenth Edition

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When Phage enters, if you didn't cast it from your hand, you lose the game. Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a creature, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated. Whenever Phage deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game.

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Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 4:13 pm

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

have whipers, flash phage, dont pay, and win
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 4:17pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I believe you mean, "flash phage, then lose"

Flash "puts a creature into play" which is not the same as "casting it from your hand". So you would lose if you tried to flash Phage. Phage has to be hard-casted.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 4:46pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Good idea though!
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 5:12pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

actually this is a really good idea, you have to remember nothing goes on the stack while something else is resolving.

flash phage, she enters then leaves before anything else, triggering both phages lose ability and whispers ability.  When flash is done resolving then you put the triggers on the stack.  Since you control both you control the order, put phages lose the game trigger on the stack first, then whispers trigger above that, whispers resolves putting phage into play under your opponents control, triggering her lose ability again, it goes on the stack above yours so it resolves first.  you win.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 6:17pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

Not the way the OP envisioned it but a cool result all the same.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 10:19pm

snowdog7
Posts: 38
Joined: 29-May-11

yay phage!
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 11:24pm

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

@ Gericault5:

wait a second, so this actually works? or does phage's "lose the game" ability not use the stack?
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 7:25am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

This does not work, because Phage would come into play under your opponent's control at the end of the turn (read Endless Whispers again!) - needs a Stifle or similar to counter the triggered ability which makes you lose when you Flash in Phage.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 8:56am

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

but if flashed at the begining of the end step, would it be possilbe?
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 9:13am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Unfortunately not, if you do it in the end step you have already passed the point where 'at the beginning of the end step' triggers happen.

There are a few ways around this:

1. Use Stifle to counter Phage's trigger when she enters the battlefield via Flash
2. Use Torpor Orb to prevent Phage from triggering when she is flashed in, and then sacrifice it or destroy it afterwards (before she comes back into play for your opponent)
3. [redacted - does not work with the current wording of whispers]

[Edited by Zark-the-Damned on 5/Oct/11 at 9:15AM]
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 9:21am

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

what if i used angel's grace sometime during the turn?
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 9:37am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Yup, that would work (obv as long as it resolves before Phage) - Pltinum Angel also works for this.
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 9:40am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

sorry, forgot about the return at end of turn part, my bad, thanks for the correction Zark

In regards to angels grace (and I read it this time :)), anything that prevents you from losing the game such as angels grace or platinum angel, would work as long as they are in play before your lose the game trigger resolves


[Edited by gericault5 on 5/Oct/11 at 9:40AM]
Date Posted: Wed Oct/05/11 at 10:14am

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

@ zark, gericault5

thank you for allowing me finally phage bomb people