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Early \'Splodin Planeswalkers

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Doubling SeasonEnlarge

Doubling Season

{4}{G}

Enchantment

Ravnica: City of Guilds

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If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead. If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

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Liliana Vess

{3}{B}{B}

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana

Lorwyn

Read rules for Liliana Vess
+1: Target player discards a card. −2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle and put that card on top. −8: Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.

Loyalty: 5

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Date Posted: Sun Feb/28/10 at 9:53 pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

if this has been posted already sorry bout the double post.

but its pretty basic.  since planeswalkers use "loyalty counters"  use a + ability and get them to explode a turn or 2 early.   useable in any planeswalker situation! :)
Date Posted: Mon Mar/01/10 at 12:31am

Rokhan
Posts: 46
Joined: 20-Dec-09

Yeah ive been exploiting this since i first saw a planeswalker. I LOVE RAVNICA. Doubling season is green....... Garruk is green........ second turn overrun and keep gurruk. And in four turns droping my entire elf deck w/ Nissa. I love Elves

 

Also i found two cards that are just awsome, one is part goblin merfolk and the other is half elf half merfolk. My best freind plays goblin and i play elf, and we both thin mer are lacking
Date Posted: Mon Mar/01/10 at 3:44am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Doubling season in play when playing a Planeswalker is good, more counters is fun :)

However, 'use a + ability and get them to explode a turn or 2 early.' does NOT work. (sorry not sure how to 'quote' in this system)

The counters are added to the Planeswalker as a COST - and Doubling Season only applies to EFFECTS

i.e. Having DS out when you play Garruk gives him 6 loyalty counters. Using his +1 ability still only adds 1 counter.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/01/10 at 11:45am

Burning_Shadows
Posts: 141
Joined: 28-Feb-10

you just said +1 ability.....that falls under DS's ability to double tokens produced

ability and effect in mtg r the same thing
Date Posted: Mon Mar/01/10 at 1:20pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

'+1 Ability' is shorthand for 'Garruk's ability which puts 1 counter on him as a cost'

Like on the cards themselves, they just have +1, -1, -4 is shorthand.

Abilities and Effects are not the same thing. An ability consists of two parts, Cost and Effect. Effects are caused by abilities (and spells).

If the ability was written out in full, it would be 'Put 1 Loyalty Counter on Garruk: Untap up to two target lands'

As with all activated abilities, everything before the : is the COST of the ability. Everything after this is the effect.

Further reading: http://mtgsalvation.com/705-cranial-insertion-legends-and-lorwyn.html - specifically:

Q: If I use a Planeswalker’s ability and add a loyalty counter while Doubling Season is in play, do I get to add two?

A: Nope, just one. “If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control” doesn’t apply here because adding the counter is the cost of the ability, not part of the effect.