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Combo Name: unlimited anything, whole deck in play, no deckout, turn 5-8 win Submitted By: xvmileycyrus
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Thran Dynamo
 Artifact 4 Urza's Destiny, Uncommon

Karn, Silver Golem
 Legendary Artifact Creature 5 4/4 Urza's Saga, Rare

Darksteel Forge
 Artifact 9 Darksteel, Rare

Mycosynth Lattice
 Artifact 6 Darksteel, Rare

Voltaic Construct
 Artifact Creature - Golem 4 2/2 Darksteel, Uncommon

Sensei's Divining Top
 Artifact 1 Champions of Kamigawa, Uncommon

Magus of the Future
 Creature - Human Wizard 2UUU 2/3 Future Sight, Rare

Nevinyrral's Disk
 Mono Artifact 4 Beta, Rare

Teferi's Puzzle Box
 Artifact 4 Visions, Rare

Omen Machine
 Artifact 6 New Phyrexia, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $36.12
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 1:23 am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

basically not all of these cards are needed to pull of this awesome combo, basically the magus and senseis plus if you add in like a cloud key or anything that makes artifacts cost less you can draw your whole deck. i use alot of these in my edh and my general is mishra, i use mishra for the colors and the fact that none of your artifacts can be countered cause if they do mishras ability is on the stack taking it from the graveyard to play trust me it works ive asked magic store owners/judges, then you have the combo of karn, construct, and a tap add 3 artifact, this works as such, you use karn to make the 3 tap artifact a creature tap it for 3 and use 2 of the three with constructs ability to untap it and you basically get infinite colorless mana unless you get mycosynth out which if you drew your whole deck you can making it so you have infinite mana of any color and all of your things are artifacts that you can make creatures, nevinyralls and darksteel forge is a way to instantly destroy a bunch of things plus since everything is an artifact and you have infinite mana and card play you can use karns ability to make you opponents lands a creature killing it cause its a 0/0 and since you draw with senseis put it on top of library and play for free cause of cloud key and magus it builds up storm which if you use storm spells it will work or you can use tap deal one damage abilities or tap target play draws a card type abilities or tap gain life abilities or any tap ability with infinite mana and they are artifacts voltaic construct can infinitely untap them with these colors i use jeska cause she has haste that way i can instantly win with this, to pull this off just use card search and transmute i always always pull it off turn five to 8 if not earlier,. no basic lands in deck just nonbasic greatness. its fun trust me
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 1:32am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

sorry i forgot to explain omen machine and teferis puzzle box, with omen machine after you draw your whole deck put that out so you cant draw anymore so you dont deck out the use teferis to put your hand back as your library assuming you didnt play everything with the infinite mana combo and if you didnt kill anyone some how i dont see how you couldnt but just in case plus those two cards omen and teferis alone is a cool combo no one can get a hand cause the dont draw but whatever hand they do have somehow will go on bottom of library
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 2:42pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

So basically what you did here is you combined the magus of the future/top combo with the karn/dynamo/construct combo with the lattice/forge/disk combo.....!
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 7:24pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Don't post all your combos into one post.
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 8:32pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Also im noticing that in 2391 characters you have only 3 periods....! Try to split your massive chunks of text into paragraphs and sentences!
Date Posted: Fri Sep/30/11 at 10:18pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

@ Pinkie

Also, I'm noticing that you forget to capitalize I and put in an apostrophe. Also, it seems to contradict yourself to put ". . .!" The 3 dots mean that you are trailing off, while an exclamation mark implies shouting or enthusiasm.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 9:45am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Capitalization doesnt normally reduce the legibility of your statements, whereas not playing periods after your sentences does! And im trailing off with enthusiasm...!
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 10:47am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

"Capitalization doesnt normally reduce the legibility of your statements,
whereas not playing periods after your sentences does! And im trailing
off with enthusiasm...!"

Let's see here. You forgot an apostrophe on the second word. Also, "whereas" means "because". You wrote "playing" instead of "placing". Saying "im" is doubly incorrect. The "i" should be capitalized, and you forgot another apostrophe. Hey, at least you spelled enthusiasm right.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 10:57am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

"Where·as, Conjunction
In contrast or comparison with the fact that"

And yes i realize that im making small grammatical errors but i dont particularly care!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 1/Oct/11 at 10:58AM]
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 12:18pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Then, don't complain about other people. That is called "hypocrisy" and it is generally looked down upon by most people (except religious people).

Trolololololol
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 12:33pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Well, first of all, i wasnt complaining, i was just letting him know, and second of all, small grammatical errors that dont reduce the legibility of your statements dont really matter...!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 1/Oct/11 at 12:37PM]
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 1:20pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

However, if you use weird punctuation like ". . .!", it makes it harder for people to understand your intentions.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 1:29pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Not really, because the main idea of my statements is contained in the words, not the punctuation! Pretty much the only time when punctuation ACTUALLY matters is when you need a question mark!
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 1:46pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Is English your second language, because you are so wrong?
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 1:55pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

English happens to be my first language, and i know that it isnt universally true, but on this website, for the most part it is!
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 2:37pm

mox
Posts: 42
Joined: 11-Aug-10

You two should keep doing this, it is very entertaining!
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 3:33pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Well i guess it could change how your sentence is interpreted, but it wouldnt really change the fundamental meaning of the sentence!

For example:
Thats not true.
(simple statement. "what youre saying is wrong.")

Thats not true...
(some confusion or disgust. "um im pretty sure thats wrong"/"are you stupid? thats wrong...")

Thats not true!
(indignation or excitement. "shut up youre wrong and im right!"/"oh wow that actually wrong!")

But what youre saying is that the person is wrong, no matter what the punctuation is!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 1/Oct/11 at 3:34PM]
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 9:05pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

How about this?

"Let's eat, Grandma!"
vs
"Let's eat Grandma!"

"Fucking A, bro!"
vs
"Fucking a bro!"
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 9:09pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Not commas, end of sentence stuff!
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 9:24pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

That's not true. . .

You're saying that it isn't true in a reserved way, as in you aren't certain. It might be true.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/01/11 at 10:27pm

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

Here's a thinker for all of you. What about when someone says:
• "Let's play catch with Grandpa!"; and
• "Let's play catch with Grandpa!" ?
Can you guess the intention of my words there? Obviously not, because they're exactly the same in spelling and punctuation. But one of those sentences means "Let's toss a baseball around with your grandfather", and the other means "Let's dig up dead ol' Grandpa Bill and throw around his skull with wild abandon".

But seriously, as a denizen of the Internet, I do not take it upon myself to play the part of a translator-slash-interpreter. If English is your first language, then write sentences as if it were your first language; you're writing messages on a public forum, not playing "text message tennis" with your tween friends. If you're not willing to use a few extra keystrokes to make your message understandable, I'm not going out of my way to try and understand it.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/02/11 at 8:02am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Usually, the earlier comments would explain whether you want to play games with your grandfather's inanimate corpse or if you want to throw a ball with your alive grandfather.

If people's posts are illegible, then I usually just ignore them. If they're close to legibility, I ask them to restate it in a better way.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 3:07am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

Leave it to prestigious magic players to, instead of just getting the point of what someone is trying to tell you (,) you go off on some other tangent that isn't relevant to what they are saying or the setting at which what they are saying takes place. I dont use grammar shit cause its a waist of time and when i type i just type out what I'm trying to say instead of thinking about all my grammar, but for your sake i added a couple here.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 3:40am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

besides it doesn't matter pink my decks can rape anything that you play with.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 3:48am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

The intentions of this forum is to post combos, if your a stickler for grammar, go to fucking college and become an English teacher that way when you correct someone its "hey of course you would your obsessed with your job", but right now its "hey your obsessed with being a dick", no one gives a flying fuck about whether you find my grammar appropriate or not they just read to find out about cool combos, osa ouya anca icksta ourya ammargra up ourya holeassa.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 10:53am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I find it ironic how you use better grammer to point out the lack of need for good grammer.  But thats me.

Also reason people aren't getting to the point is because knowbody understood what it was suppose to be doing because nobody can understand what your trying to describe, they just see a bunch of cards and gibberish.  And even if they did read it they'll do what I did and stop halfway through saying "this think is to large even for edh, the people i play against are to good and pack to much removal and counters to let those pieces sit around or go through"  

 
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 11:13am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

'Grammar'

That is all ;)
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 11:50am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I fall into the class of people who feel spelling is not the same as "grammar" :P........not that my grammar is much better.

Besides I'm not the one complaining about the grammar.  Just gave a reason why we "prestigious magic players" couldn't get to the point.  I myself made my way through most of the post just quit because of the unplayability of it.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 2:29pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

@ Zark

Actually, that's not all. Also, he put "knowbody" instead of "nobody".

Anyway, let's not split hairs. I'll settle for legible spelling and periods at the ends of sentences.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 4:55pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

@tur & zark
Are you guys kidding?! He forgot the "the" at the beginning, wrote think instead of thing and to instead of too!
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 7:22pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Interesting thing about the ". . .!" is it would most likely mean you were ending your sentence with a non-specific curse, and it represents the highest level of emphasis.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/03/11 at 7:25pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Havent we discussed this already?!
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 12:31am

yawgmothascended
Posts: 10
Joined: 18-Sep-11

yea...sure...there's a combo...are you actually playing with someone with these decks?...or do they use one of your decks?....look theres no way that would fly unless a really newbie forgot to add removal to their deck/sideboard...i can see it happening in a casual environment where nobody attacks and everyone waits for something to happen....but, still....very unlikely...sorry...and as far as projecting your combo physics....i dont really care how you type it...but at least break it up with something....i honestly seen the list of cards intended to compose this huge combo and scrolled right past the description....looking back at it....rightfully so...keep bringing the combo though...just try to make em original...not just three listed combos in one....

ah screw it.........................I Conceded        : I
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 12:38am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

YOUR BIG WORDS ARE SCARING EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH

MY

GOD

We have text editing...we should tell somebody immediately!!!!
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 2:54am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

sure its alot of cards to get, but you only need 2 of them and thats magus and senseis. I play aggressive decks such us a reaper king deck that can start destroying things on turn 4ish. with counter spells and some graveyard return, along with mishra who makes it so my artifacts can't be countered, I still beat majority of the time. The only time i don't are mana screws, which i fixed with better lands and artifacts, so i don't see why you find it hard that this combo wins. I throw in a bunch of search including transmute and hell sometimes i get the two cards i need with search or draw on turn 3, which from there is a matter of mana, let me lay a game out:

first turn: lay a land usually a refuge or any one that comes into play tapped, plus keep in mind i don't spend tons of money on cards i usually play with what i have and combo off them and i might by an important one here and there, then second turn lay another land and play a mana artifact like sol ring if i have it in hand or lay a double land and end the turn. Third turn lay another land, now you may or may not have one of the combo cards on hand or any search which is why you should mulligan at the start. Then you can transmute or any other search to get senseis and lay it out. You then use it to top search until you card search again. Get magus or cloud key or any other crap you need ( i have other cards in deck like board clear or counters, plus i run lockdown cards. if you need any of them to help you get them out) then you just play lockdown for a while till you are able to play magus and win as soon as you lay him. You guys treat it like this deck can only beat bad decks, when i play at the edh nights at mayhem (magic store, in case you don't for some reason know) and shit and i do quite well, but i suppose now you think those peoples decks suck just because you cant stand the fact that this deck can work.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 2:55am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

i still beat (it*) a majority
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 2:57am

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

Buy* yeah I'm correcting my errors for those people who get the point but act like they don't
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 3:11pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

WEll first off, youre doing that huge block of text thing again!
Second, if your main combo is senseis + top, why wouldnt you just post that?!
Third, if i were playing you i wouldnt even let you get out 3 of these artifacts, and definitely not the top!
Fourth, STOP REPOSTING! Edit your last post, or even better, just stop making stupid spelling mistakes!
And finally, why would anyone pretend not to be able to read what your saying?! That would make absolutely no sense!
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 5:44pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

so i don't see why you find it hard that this combo wins


Simply, we base our opinion about combos based on the playability that the combo has within our own playgroups.

Now I can't speak for the others, but for me, this combo has no playability.  There is a reason cards like sol ring, lighting greaves, and the top are in every EDH deck.  Because they are damn good cards for EDH.  Its a safe bet to pack artifact removal because odds are you will encounter one of these three, especially the top.  In my group if I try to play the top I have three people dropping a counter, and if they don't, I got some removal coming soon afterwards.   And the magus...we are reseting the boards every 5-6 turns, he'll never stick around. 

Like I said before my group packs alot of removal, for example my Wydwen Deck is easily 75% removal or counter. Large scale combos like this would never stick around long enough to go off.  Hence my believe it is unplayable.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 5:52pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Also on a side bar:  On two seperate occasions during this post you mention that you use Mishra because, and I quote "makes it so my artifacts can't be countered"

This is only partly true.  The fact is that if you counter the artifact after Mishras ability resolves, then it is countered just fine and stays in the grave. 

If your group does not realize that, maybe its time to find more challenging opponents.  I'll ask you then how confident you are in your combo
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 5:58pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

It amuses me to no end that people debate "playability". I do not doubt that Mz. Cyrus over here can activate this combo, there's no reason to lie about that. But my guess is that means that Mz. Cyrus's playgroup plays differently than each of ours.

If this works for you, use it. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Like Gericault, I would never see this ever in my playgroup, mostly for the reasons he stated. I don't ever pay attention to posts with Planeswalkers, because when I play they never last more than a few turns.

Playability is relative. End of story. But if you are playing competitively (which I think most of us do from time to time), then this combo will most definitely not make an appearance. But casual combos are ok every now and then.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 7:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

There's a difference between "casual combos" and clusterfuck combos.

Casual combos are 3-5 cards and have a chance of winning, but you play them more for the fun of getting out the combo.

Clusterfuck combos are combos that  use upwards of 9 cards, clutter up our database (which apparently gets deleted periodically), have no chance of ever happening, and utilize ideas like multiple of the Power 9, etc.

Casual combos are excellent! Clusterfuck combos should be shunned and left in the corner to starve and die. Then, we should take aforementioned combo and place it in an incinerator. We put the ashes through fission until there are only Hydrogen atoms left. Then, use a LHC to forge it into Aluminum, and use the Aluminum to make a rocket ship, which we sent into a black hole, WHERE IT CAN BE FOR ETERNITY (if there was time in a black hole) AND NEVER DISTURB ME, THE REPO MAN, EVER. . .AGAIN! MWAHAHAHA!

(Rant lock enabled and Caps Lock disabled)
Date Posted: Tue Oct/04/11 at 9:55pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

What about turbo-great wall?!
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 2:40pm

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

my combo was whole deck into play. HMMM ok if i just post sensei combo, you'll be asking "how do you get it all into play"? look i was just posting my deck combos that help me pull stuff off and instead of separating them all i put them here, but since you all bitch so god damn much about it, ill fucking separate them for you ok.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 2:45pm

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

I rarely play with my friends as there are way too busy with school (most of my friends are non graduates yet) . Now unless everyone of the 17 so people ive faced at each magic store suck, i wouldnt care. Main reason, I dont travel to other places cause they are too far, so if this is the place where i play magic and i tend to win here, why wouldnt i keep the deck thats been making me win?
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 2:50pm

xvmileycyrus
Posts: 108
Joined: 29-Sep-11

as for artifact removal, i have played decks that have removed some of my shit from the game and creeping corrosioned me and naturalize etc all in one game on me. oh but wait whats this, i have graveyard return and counterspells, plus board clear and some of the wishes to get my cards, removed from game, back in hand and i still won even though he had infinite/infinite creatures out and i practically had nothing but counters, board clear, return, card search, wow its amazing that if you throw enough of all that in there people cant do shit or they cant do shit about your shit.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/06/11 at 2:59pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Why play somewhere else? Because real men seek a challenge!!!
Date Posted: Fri Oct/07/11 at 3:15pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

tl;dr
Date Posted: Fri Oct/07/11 at 6:49pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

When you're doing your graveyard recursion, wishes, etc... I'm wondering, "What the heck is in your opponent's deck?" Are they just laying land and ending turn?

Anyways, I will say that it's fun if (and I mean IF) your combo plays out. The Johnny in me says try it and see what happens :)
Date Posted: Sat Oct/08/11 at 8:55am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

This thread has gotten really long! Also, what are you going to do when i Apocalypse?

[Edited by PinkiePie on 8/Oct/11 at 1:05PM]



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