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Phyrexian Metamorph

{3}{U/P}

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Shapeshifter

New Phyrexia

Read rules for Phyrexian Metamorph
({U/P} can be paid with either {U} or 2 life.) You may have this creature enter as a copy of any artifact or creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.

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Date Posted: Mon Sep/26/11 at 9:17 pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

If you have 4 of each you get 1048576 coin flips! Even more if you run mirrorworks and prototype portal!
Date Posted: Mon Sep/26/11 at 10:00pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

This is just flipping trolling
Date Posted: Mon Sep/26/11 at 11:49pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Actually you only need two Krark's Thumbs. Its a replacement effect. You would flip a coin, so one of the thumbs activates and you flip two. FOr each of those flips its replaced, and you would flip four, then the other one flips. Its activated endlessly, and you get infintie flips with two thumbs.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 5:03am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Sorry Cap'n, you're wrong. A replacement effect can only be applied once in any particular situation. e.g. You don't get infinite damage by using two Furnace of Rath - you get 4x damage (as each one replaces the damage by double the damage). Two thumbs gives 4 flips, ignoring 3 of them. Two Doubling Seasons gives you 4x the number of tokens, and so on.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 9:20am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Last time I read on here that once you double over that the effect keeps repeating and becomes endless and the game ends in a draw. 
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 10:43am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Whoever said that was wrong then :)

Unless they were talking about a triggered ability rather than a replacement ability, those can be set up in loops which cause a draw (e.g. the situation where the only nonland permanents are three Oblivion Rings)
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 12:13pm

demolt1313
Posts: 39
Joined: 26-Aug-11

Actually that is not wrong the official ruling is:

ruling under 104.4

104.4b If a game that's not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a "loop" of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw. Loops that contain an optional action don't result in a draw.

Krark's thumb is a mandatory action that must be taken and since most people play the limited range of influence option which allows the action to only be taken once.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 1:59pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

That only applies to triggered abilities. Krark's thumb has a replacement effect (it ends with the word 'instead') - see section 614 of the comp rules.

Edit: added the relevant subsections:

614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615), replacement effects apply continuously as events happen -- they aren't locked in ahead of time. Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event with a different event. They act like "shields" around whatever they're affecting.

614.1a Effects that use the word "instead" are replacement effects. Most replacement effects use the word "instead" to indicate what events will be replaced with other events.

614.5. A replacement effect doesn't invoke itself repeatedly; it gets only one opportunity to affect an event or any modified events that may replace it.
Example: A player controls two permanents, each with an ability that reads "If a creature you control would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals double that damage to that creature or player instead." A creature that normally deals 2 damage will deal 8 damage -- not just 4, and not an infinite amount.

[Edited by Zark-the-Damned on 27/Sep/11 at 2:01PM]
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 2:57pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Never argue with Zark. You won't win.

Pinkie, STOP TROLLING ALREADY!
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 3:23pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Fuck you i can post whatever combos i want!
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 3:33pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You're abusing your internet. I'm afraid we're going to have to stop you.

We do not forgive.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 3:46pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2610
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Unfortunately the solution requires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENVB6tjq_M&feature=related
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 4:07pm

demolt1313
Posts: 39
Joined: 26-Aug-11

I don't argue with people on the internet... it doesn't work. And zark I was not trying to show you up or anything, I was merely posting some input into the thought.

@Turbine: agreed

@Twogunkid: freaking awesome and perfect for the scenario...
Date Posted: Tue Sep/27/11 at 4:56pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

popcorn is going for cheap now-a-days.  Any takers?  (munch, munch, munch (note: pun intended)).