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Phyrexian MarauderEnlarge

Phyrexian Marauder

{X}

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Construct

Visions

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This creature enters with X +1/+1 counters on it. This creature can't block. This creature can't attack unless you pay {1} for each +1/+1 counter on it.

0/0

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Protean Hulk

{5}{G}{G}

Creature — Beast

Dissension

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When this creature dies, search your library for any number of creature cards with total mana value 6 or less, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

6/6

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Gemstone Caverns

Legendary Land

Time Spiral

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If this card is in your opening hand and you're not the starting player, you may begin the game with Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield with a luck counter on it. If you do, exile a card from your hand. {T}: Add {C}. If Gemstone Caverns has a luck counter on it, instead add one mana of any color.

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Date Posted: Thu Nov/20/08 at 4:28 pm

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

When playing a deck with this combo, always choose to draw first instead of play. With a starting hand including Gemstone Cavern, Simian Spirit Guide, Flash, and Protean Hulk, you get to drop the Gemstone Cavern before anyone takes a turn. In response to it coming into play, tap it for a blue mana, and discard Simian Spirit Guide for a red mana. Use these two mana to play Flash to bring Protean Hulk into play without paying it's mana cost.

The Protean Hulk is sent to the graveyard triggering it's ability to search your library for creatures with a combined power of 6 or less. Grab and put into play 4x Disciple of the Vault, 4x Phyrexian Marauder, and 4x Shifting Wall.

When the Phyrexian Marauders and Shifting Walls hit play, they die because they are 0/0 if your didn't pay for them. As each artifact goes into the graveyard, they each trigger all four of the Disciple of the Vaults. This causes 4 life loss per artifact, (4xDisciple of the Vault * 1 life loss on artifact entering graveyard) *8 artifact creatures entering the graveyard = 32 life lost.

That's it, they're dead and no one has had as much as an untap step yet. There are several cards you can add to increase your odds in this combo. But once it goes off, only way they'll win is if it isn't turn 0 anymore, so have mana to respond. A well placed stifle could really mess this up.
Date Posted: Nov/22/08 at 1:20pm

Machovict
Posts: 0
Joined: 22-Aug-08

Uhhh, one MAJOR problem. Reread Protean Hulk. It's converted mana cost of 6, not power of 6. Sorry about all the research in vain, but that's way things go....
Date Posted: Nov/22/08 at 2:22pm

Squillis
Posts: 424
Joined: 20-Nov-08

Ahh, so I see. However, it does not negate the combo. Disciple of the Vault has a converted mana cost of 1, Shifting Wall a converted mana cost of 0, and Phyrexian Marauder a converted mana cost of 0. So, when you grab all 12 cards, there's a total converted mana cost of 4.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/25/10 at 9:19am

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Aye, this combo does work. You should understand that you can't do something 'in respone to a land coming into play', especially when they come into play before the game even starts. You can however do this combo during an opponent's upkeep or draw step which is before they have a chance to play land.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/21/13 at 2:50pm

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

Is this commander legal?
Date Posted: Mon Jan/21/13 at 3:34pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

lol... unfortunately, it is commander legal (really not nice though, and it will piss players off, and result in even more banned cards for commander)
Date Posted: Mon Jan/21/13 at 4:10pm

GoodGuyTyler
Posts: 202
Joined: 14-Mar-12

Commander? Like EDH Commander?? It's kind of legal, but very not possible since you need 4x of all those things and EDH only allows 1 of any card.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/21/13 at 11:46pm

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

Not exactly. You could get memnites and other things like that and they'd still work lol. But seems like it'd be fun to mess with once in a while :)
Date Posted: Tue Jan/22/13 at 12:02pm

GoodGuyTyler
Posts: 202
Joined: 14-Mar-12

Ya, you could grab memnite, but he won't die when he enters the battlefield and since you only get one disciple of the vault and maaaybe a blood artist or the like, you'd only be doing like, 2 damage in Commander lol.
Date Posted: Wed Jan/23/13 at 3:41am

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

if you are worried about one of your creatures not dying, use a artifact to sacrifice it for some effect
Date Posted: Wed Jan/23/13 at 3:43am

Draco_lich
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correction... use a creature that allows you to sacrifice another to it
Date Posted: Wed Jan/23/13 at 1:46pm

shmogi
Posts: 220
Joined: 14-Dec-11

GODDAMMIT CHEWY
WE HAZ RULES 'ROUND HERE
DO NOT REVIVE OLD COMBOS
Date Posted: Wed Jan/23/13 at 3:20pm

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

Mwahahahaha :D