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Chancellor of the Forge

{4}{R}{R}{R}

Creature — Phyrexian Giant

New Phyrexia

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You may reveal this card from your opening hand. If you do, at the beginning of the first upkeep, create a 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature token with haste. When this creature enters, create X 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature tokens with haste, where X is the number of creatures you control.

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Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 10:54 am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

With Curio and Sneak Attack out, Sneak out Chancellor, then when the goblins hit, bounce it with Curio. Replay so that way one mountain equals adding double goblins each time. Skirk is there to make it infinite.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 11:30am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

If your gonna run Sneak Attack it  might as well be with Dragons.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 11:35am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Why Dragons?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 11:42am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Put any Dragon in play for 1 mana. Or, I'm gonna say it, Emrakul.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 11:51am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Ok, let's say we sneak in Emrakul, the end-all-be-all of creatures, you wouldn't get the extra turn cause it wasn't cast, and after saccing 6 permanents a player can still block. But if you make infinite tokens of goblins who all have haste, then the only thing that could stop them is a fog or holy day, which stops any other assault just as well. You can keep your Eldrazi. Goblins will always overpower, especially when there is an infinite number of them.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:02pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Yeah Goblins will always rival Tempered Steel for the leading wienie rush decktype. But still Lightning Bolt then Sneak Attack for Furyborn Hellkite or Sneak Attack For Kilnmouth Dragon and reveal 2 or 3 Dragons and then Sneak Attack those in play as well isn't half bad either.

[Edited by MechanistLegend on 16/Aug/11 at 12:03PM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:09pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

What about mono black and mono white? don't they deserve some cred? Or did you miss the printing of lashwrithe and tormented soul?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:26pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Lashwrithe is better on Plague Stinger.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:33pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I would disagree, you can block plague stinger, you cannot block tormented soul. Plague stinger might roll over any deck that's not prepared for flyers, but tormented soul is really only subject to removal. Besides, who likes playing infect anyways?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 2:51pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

@ Mechanist

I am beginning to feel like all my comments are directed towards you. Just because there is one way to use Sneak Attack doesn't mean that others deserve credit. Also, there is MUCH more style in playing infinite Goblins than saying "Oh, I Sneak Attack a Emrakul into play DERP"
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 3:06pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Also the ways to deal with each are different. A simple flesbag marader can take out your sneaked emukral. Lightmine field would be better for infintie goblins. Hobri death wail and a ping could also take down emukral. The same would be almost useless against a goblin horde. Also coat of arms and the goblin hoard would be stronger than emukral, even 1 on 1. Sneak attack to make an army that stays is innovative. Just sneaking in the biggest you can get your hands on is the main stream, and not very impressive.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 4:10pm

StoneDevil
Posts: 5
Joined: 15-May-11

Correct me if i'm wrong :

Cloudstone Curio:

Whenever a nonartifact permanent comes into play under your control, you
may return ANOTHER permanent you control that shares a permanent type
with it to its owner's hand.

So...is it certain that you can create a bounce engine with it on one creature? it specifically says that you can only target another permanent or that the target that has just been cast is illegal

Please clarify this for me
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 4:12pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

You bounce Chancellor because he hits play, then his ability triggers, putting in tokens, then when those creature tokens enter play you use them and Curio to bounce Chancellor and do it again. Chancellor is not bouncing himself.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/17/11 at 2:13pm

the_clowns_did_it
Posts: 21
Joined: 30-Jan-10

so, how do you bouce the curio to replay him so that you can re-bounce the goblin creator?
Date Posted: Wed Aug/17/11 at 2:42pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You don't bounce the Curio. You bounce the Chancellor.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/17/11 at 9:23pm

the_clowns_did_it
Posts: 21
Joined: 30-Jan-10

OHHH, ok, i was misreading the curio. i didnt see the when nonartifact creature part, i thought of it like the curio came out and then you returned a creature.

 




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