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Berserk

Berserk

Instant

Limited Edition Alpha

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Cast this spell only before the combat damage step. Target creature gains trample and gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is its power. At the beginning of the next end step, destroy that creature if it attacked this turn.

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Ball Lightning

Ball Lightning

Creature — Elemental

Fifth Edition

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Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.) Haste (This creature can attack and

as soon as it comes under your control.) At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature.

6/1

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Blood Lust

Blood Lust

Instant

Fifth Edition

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If target creature has toughness 5 or greater, it gets +4/-4 until end of turn. Otherwise, it gets +4/-X until end of turn, where X is its toughness minus 1.

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Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 5:13 pm

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Just another old school combo that wasn't in the database. It's very old school because Berserk never made it past Unlimited.

When Lotus and Moxes (even restricted) were around this was a first turn kill, but even without doing it on first turn a trample 20/1 is no laughing matter, especially back then.

Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 6:17pm

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I remember this being the target of a first turn unsummon and a second turn counterspell. (If you played blue and went first).

Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 6:30pm

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I saw this get blocked by 19 thrull 0/1s and the guy dealing out the damage says, I'll send it all into that 0/1 and trampled over for the kill, lol.

Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 10:07pm

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe you can do that. rule 702.17b states that: The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking.

The rule states that ALL creatures must be dealt lethal damage before trample damage can be done. This question came up in my Borborygmos EDH deck. I thought it was the other way, but was duely corrected.

Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 10:10pm

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I seem to remember back in the day the rule was played how Darth relates it and it was changed sometime between then and now...

Date Posted: Tue Jul/19/11 at 10:15pm

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it was part of the m10 rule changes

Date Posted: Wed Jul/20/11 at 7:40am

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You are correct.

As you know, the attacker assigns damage to the blockers.
Trample wasn't very clear and an initial rules call was made that Trample was assigned to blockers whichever way the attacker wanted and what was left-over went to the controller. So someone blocked with a bunch of creatures and since he was able to assign damage he just assigned it all (which effectively you can do) to the smallest creature. Since the rules stated everything over lethal goes to the controller he beat his opponent and the rules call became a precedence, but I don't think that is the way the creators had imagined it.

Personally I think the new rule weakened Trample greatly as an ability, but I understand that whiners usually win.

Date Posted: Wed Jul/20/11 at 8:45am

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Dang wish I had been around back then. :S that rule royaly screwed the initial strategies I had with Borborygmos. Glad to have everything clarified, though.

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 1:45pm

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Hum... this look kinda of a foolish question, but what happens if a Blightsteel Colossus attacks and a Darksteel Myr blocks it?

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 3:17pm

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In the new rules, all the damage goes into the one of the attackers choice

In the old rules, all the damage goes into either divided as the attacker chooses, but none of it makes it to the player.

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 6:06pm

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Sorry to insist, but the curiosity is killing me! xP
So, the trample ability says:
702.17b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking...
So... if a Darksteel Colossus, other example, attacks and Darksteel Myr blocks, the Colossus will deal 1 damage to the myr, and the rest will go to the player/planeswalker even with the myr staying alive, right?

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 6:16pm

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well, upon further reading (and I disaprove of this, oh well, new house rule time) the damage would be 1 to the myr the rest to the player. . .

Example: A 6/6 green creature with trample is blocked by a 2/2 creature
with protection from green. The attacking creature's controller must
assign at least 2 damage to the blocker, even though that damage will be
prevented by the blocker's protection ability. The attacking
creature's controller can divide the rest of the damage as he or she
chooses between the blocking creature and the defending player. [CompRules 2009/07/08]

this helps clear things up for me.

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 6:33pm

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe you can do that. rule 702.17b states that: The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking.

The rule states that ALL creatures must be dealt lethal damage before trample damage can be done. This question came up in my Borborygmos EDH deck. I thought it was the other way, but was duely corrected.

if thats the case... whats the point to the creature ability "banding"?

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 9:10pm

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Banding was created to work with the old rules. That way, the player with the band could split up the damage so that none or few of his creatures die, and many of his opponent's creatures died. With the new rules, damage can't be split up like that, so bands are much less good.

Date Posted: Thu Jul/21/11 at 11:57pm

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Your wrong hungry, when dealing with bands, it uses the old rules for assigning combat damage.

Date Posted: Fri Jul/22/11 at 7:39am

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Banding isn't very effective in regards to Trample anyway.

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