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Flinging Poison Counters

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Vines of Vastwood

{G}

Instant

Zendikar

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Kicker {G} (You may pay an additional {G} as you cast this spell.) Target creature can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control this turn. If this spell was kicked, that creature gets +4/+4 until end of turn.

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Phyrexian Hydra

{3}{G}{G}

Creature — Phyrexian Hydra

Mirrodin Besieged

Read rules for Phyrexian Hydra
Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.) If damage would be dealt to this creature, prevent that damage. Put a -1/-1 counter on this creature for each 1 damage prevented this way.

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Date Posted: Mon Jul/11/11 at 5:44 pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

  
Use Vines of Vastwood with the kicker cost paid in Phyrexian Hydra. So use Souls Fire, that aren't in the database, to deal 11 poison counters to the opponent. Works well when you need to break the combo Platinum Angel + Indestructible.


[Edited by Torto on 11/Jul/11 at 5:48PM]
Date Posted: Mon Jul/11/11 at 6:55pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Uh, doesn't Platinum Angel say you can't lose the game?  I would say it means it. 
Date Posted: Mon Jul/11/11 at 7:10pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I think he means for killing the Angel.
Date Posted: Tue Jul/12/11 at 12:08am

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

add Fork to hit the Platinum Angel and the player both
Date Posted: Tue Jul/12/11 at 3:35am

Agar
Posts: 1
Joined: 12-Jul-11

Zektar Shrine Expedition + Tainted strike + Giant Growth, then Soul's Fire to throw 11 infect one way, and swing with a 11/4 trample infect
Date Posted: Tue Jul/12/11 at 2:20pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

I don't see how this is a combo.

This is like me saying...

Play Grizzly bears then put a Holy Strength on it then put an Unholy Strength on it then Giant Growth it then Brute Force it then Berserk it then Fling it then cast another Grizzly Bears...
Date Posted: Tue Jul/12/11 at 2:46pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

Well ParadoxRemix, i respect your view of what a combo is. But for me, is nothing more than a combination of spells or abilities that results in a specific effect. In this case, is a combination of 3 cards that results in 11 poison counters.
The example that you posted, expensive and so long to play, is hard to call a combo because of the multiple turns and sequences that you have to made to work well.
But the combo that i posted, work when you get 5 manas,ending the game in two turns or 10 manas ending in only one, despiting any potential blockers and giving hexproof to the Hydra in the moment that you cast the spells.
But in any cases, i understand your opinion and respect. But for me, this still a combo.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/13/11 at 11:34pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

its a combo to me too... as it would have a desired and specific effect far greater than the cards played separately, and also at a fast pace, 3-4 cards in a combo is not hard to pull off if one is a permanent, as there are a lot of search cards out there... i think the hydra is only meant as a potential show of what can be done with these cards.. this combo opened my eyes to souls fire with infect... realizing it works (unlike fling) for instant poison counters
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 2:10pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

"But for me, is nothing more than a combination of spells or abilities that results in a specific effect."

Any combination of spells or abilties result in a specific effect, even the ones I posted.

Giant Oyster and Twiddle will result in a specific effect, that doesn't make it a combo.

And if you're looking for a combo with infect, why not use the much faster and cheaper Kiln Fiend + Tainted Strike + Brute Force/Giant Growth/any pump spell that adds 2 or more power?


[Edited by ParadoxRemix on 14/Jul/11 at 2:14PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 2:51pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

If you're looking for a combo, why not Channel-Fireball? That could be said about any combo.

If you use Kiln Fiend and Tainted Strike, it isn't a combo, because Kiln Fiend has a specific ability that relates to instants and sorceries. Problem?
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 3:55pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

ParadoxRemix, as i said i respect your opinion. And about the first and larger combo that you post, really are a combo, but much hard to play.
And your infect combo posted have many problems: 1 - If the opponent have a 1/1 creature in play, your combo don't work, that result in one more card in the combo to give trample or unblockable. 2 - If the opponent have a Doom Blade, your combo don't work, that Vines of Vastwood helps. 3 - Yes, the combo that i posted is expensive, but give 11 poison counter + 11/11 Hexproof, Infect creature for one turn, without considering the opportunity to use Reverberate in Soul Fire instead of Vines.But this doesn't mean that your combo is a shit, as you write is much cheap and faster, so post it, what matters a combo in a topic and not in the database?
And as Drago_lich posted:''as it would have a desired and specific effect far greater than the cards played separately, and also at a fast pace, 3-4 cards in a combo is not hard to pull off...'' That's my opinion.
I think the objective of this site is to share combos and informations to all that seek them. Not for wasting time discussing if something is a combo or not. That's ridiculous.


[Edited by Torto on 14/Jul/11 at 4:13PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 9:53pm

lin sivvi
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Joined: 14-Jan-10

giant growth instead of vines makes it cheaper
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 10:04pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Doomblade stops this combo as well...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/14/11 at 10:45pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

And the metagame stops this combo as well...lol!

 
Date Posted: Fri Jul/15/11 at 12:21pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

Yes, this combo can be stopped
in so many ways and are expensive. I've only put Vines of Vastwood, instead of Groundswell or Giant Growth, because if you cast Vines without an opponent casting a counter or a destroy in sequence, you have a little more security to the combo work well.
But it's obvious there are some other best infect combos than that, like: infect creature + double strike + some spell to give unblockable, that are more faster.
The idea that i tried to pass is only how a infect creature + Souls Fire can work well, the Hydra and Vines are only an option that how you can use it, not the definitely.
In anyway, thanks for the comments and the critics. XD


[Edited by Torto on 15/Jul/11 at 1:42PM]