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Prizm of Fire

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Panoptic Mirror

{5}

Artifact

Darksteel

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Imprint — {X}, {T}: You may exile an instant or sorcery card with mana value X from your hand. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy a card exiled with this artifact. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

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Fiery Gambit

{2}{R}

Sorcery

Mirrodin

Read rules for Fiery Gambit
Flip a coin until you lose a flip or choose to stop flipping. If you lose a flip, Fiery Gambit has no effect. If you win one or more flips, Fiery Gambit deals 3 damage to target creature. If you win two or more flips, Fiery Gambit deals 6 damage to each opponent. If you win three or more flips, draw nine cards and untap all lands you control.

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Date Posted: Mon Jun/27/11 at 4:58 pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Imagine lighting a match in a hall of mirrors, but all the copies create real flame. 

I would love to see this combo painted as a single picture. 

So get as many Krak's Thumb's and Sculpting Steel copies thanks to the Mirror Gallery.  Then bust out your most important mirror.  The Panoptic one!  Make your hall of mirrors a Fiery Gambit!  With multiple coin flips it'll be tough not to win a flip each round for damage or cards.


[Edited by darthnefas on 27/Jun/11 at 5:03PM]
Date Posted: Mon Jun/27/11 at 5:09pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I do believe you only need two Krark's Thumbs, because it sets up an infinite loop.

EDIT: Which would result in a draw without Chance Encounter to win.


[Edited by Turbine on 27/Jun/11 at 5:11PM]
Date Posted: Mon Jun/27/11 at 5:26pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Oh man!  I didn't see Chance Encounter!  As themes go these guys were just made for each other. 

Why would it be infinite?  Is it because the first Krark asks for two for one and the next would add 2 for 2 (4) and that would again enact the first Krark (8) and so on?  Seems like they would make it only target the first flip together, making 4 flips and taking the one you liked of all, but that infinite loop does make more sense. 
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 5:24am

pardon
Posts: 24
Joined: 07-Jun-11

it only doubles each thumb you play. time stamp
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 7:48am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

'I do believe you only need two Krark's Thumbs, because it sets up an infinite loop.


EDIT: Which would result in a draw without Chance Encounter to win.'

Unfortunately not. Each replacement effect can only apply once per 'action'.

e.g. Firey Gambit says 'flip a coin'

Krark's Thumb No. 1 replaces that with 'flip 2 coins and ignore one'

Krark's Thumb No. 2 replaces each of the coin flips from thumb no. 1 - you get 'flip 2 coins and ignore one, then flip 2 coins and ignore one, then ignore one of these sets' (which is much the same as 'flip 4 coins and ignore 3')

Krark's Thumb No.1 has already been applied, so cannot change this further. You need a third thumb to get up to 8 coins (as it doubles each time).

Note that with Chance Encounter, I you only look at the ultimate result of the flip, not each individual replacement effect, as you ignore one result from each 'split' - ignoring in this case also means you do not trigger Chance Encounter if you win that flip. Effectively you make a single coin flip with skewed odds (with 2 thumbs you have a 7/8 chance of winning the flip)
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 8:03am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I'm all out of thumbs!  lol
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 9:46am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

There's the rules guru.

That's sad. It would have made a great deck. . .
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 9:55am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Admit it, you missed me really ;)
Date Posted: Tue Jun/28/11 at 10:15am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Zark, you are the Rules master... as a side note, your explanation gave me a headache that doubled in intensity as I read further into the explanation.




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