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Epic cards (literally) with no hand size=death

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Panoptic Mirror

{5}

Artifact

Darksteel

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Imprint — {X}, {T}: You may exile an instant or sorcery card with mana value X from your hand. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may copy a card exiled with this artifact. If you do, you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

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Endless Swarm

{5}{G}{G}{G}

Sorcery

Saviors of Kamigawa

Read rules for Endless Swarm
Create a 1/1 green Snake creature token for each card in your hand. Epic (For the rest of the game, you can't cast spells. At the beginning of each of your upkeeps, copy this spell except for its epic ability.)

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Neverending Torment

{4}{B}{B}

Sorcery

Saviors of Kamigawa

Read rules for Neverending Torment
Search target player's library for X cards, where X is the number of cards in your hand, and exile them. Then that player shuffles. Epic (For the rest of the game, you can't cast spells. At the beginning of each of your upkeeps, copy this spell except for its epic ability. You may choose a new target for the copy.)

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Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 9:59 am

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
Posts: 178
Joined: 10-Jun-11

have out spell book and both mirrors. but one epic on each mirror. next turn you draw one and cast each epic once. next turn: draw one more: cast each epic twice. ten turns later: you have drawn 10 more cards, and cast each epic a total of 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12=78. 78 epics in twelve turns. and each turn X goes up by one.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 10:02am

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
Posts: 178
Joined: 10-Jun-11

just occured to me to use an epic with panoptic mirror.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 10:18am

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

Sorry, doesn't work because the copy made by Panoptic Mirror is actually cast. The Epic ability, however makes you unable to cast spells, and can't takes precedence over can, usually.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 10:45am

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
Posts: 178
Joined: 10-Jun-11

casting involves paying a mana cost, but this says play, see the difference?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 11:42am

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

Playing is casting, unless you play a land.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 12:28pm

Skippylikeno
Posts: 56
Joined: 14-Jun-11

Hungry is right, in the updated text "play" gets translated to "cast", which if the card is being casted it doesn't matter how much you're paying since you chose to cast it
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 3:34pm

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
Posts: 178
Joined: 10-Jun-11

oh, well in that case, screw the panoptics, and just have out a spellbook and play one of the two epics, it still increases in power every turn.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 8:22pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Are you telling me, since it is a cast, I can use a counterspell for a Panoptic or Isowhatever Scepter?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/20/11 at 10:27pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes you can still counter them, since they use the stack.




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