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MirariEnlarge

Mirari

{5}

Legendary Artifact

Time Spiral Timeshifted

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Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay {3}. If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.

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Bitter Ordeal

{2}{B}

Sorcery

Future Sight

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Search target player's library for a card and exile it. Then that player shuffles. Gravestorm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each permanent put into a graveyard this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

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Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 3:51 am

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

i think its pretty self-explainatory
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 9:09am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

What's the Soldevi Sentry for?
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 11:28am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

It is not self explainatory. Actually it mak3es no sense you have 4 cards of which the mirari coping the ordeal or the traumatize is the only interaction. You could have just put mirari and traumatize and been done with it.
If you are going to put more cards then needed it no longer is self explaonatory and needs to be written out at least a note such as you can use bitter or trauma
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 11:34am

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Why not activate a Bloodchief Ascension and then play a Mindcrank?





 
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 11:41am

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Or Rite of Replication on a Halimar Excavator

 
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:01pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Copying the Traumatize would only work to leave your opponent with a forth of their deck. It will not completely mill them.

Nice recommendations for the alternatives guys! I especially like the use of the New Phyrexia card.
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:15pm

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

Actually, Traumatize does not really interact with Bitter Ordeal. If you read the reminder text for gravestorm, it says to copy the spell for each "permanent" that went to a graveyard this turn. Permanents are only found on the battlefield, so when you are milling half of their deck, they are putting "permanent cards" into their graveyard. Very similar, but it does not work for the purpose of Bitter Ordeal, sorry.

Also, to contribute my interaction to the combo, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Auger + Jace's Erasure.
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:35pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

For Hungry123,





Looks like we're building a viable Standard/Type-2 "Mill deck" for FNM!


[Edited by JimTilson on 5/May/11 at 12:37PM]
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:36pm

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

Thank you Jim. I am using Safari, and the HTML editing feature is not available.
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:37pm

sir003
Posts: 60
Joined: 19-Feb-10

I swear you guys had JUST commented those because I got side tracked from this site and I just reloaded it now. I was just about to say that this combo didn't work and to contribute Active Pyromancer's Ascension+ Archive Trap
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 12:56pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Take a look at a deck I quickly threw together based on this thread!

 

http://www.essentialmagic.com/Decks/View.asp?ID=866309


[Edited by JimTilson on 5/May/11 at 1:16PM]
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 1:36pm

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

wouldn't the bitter ordeal and the traumitize just be needed to mill your opponent's whole deck because of the gravestorm?
Date Posted: Thu May/05/11 at 1:49pm

sir003
Posts: 60
Joined: 19-Feb-10

If you read Hungry's Post a couple up, you would notice he said something about the reminder text on Gravestorm saying permanents not cards...
Date Posted: Fri May/06/11 at 6:51pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

ok, so let me explain it then... traumatize your opponent, then bitter ordeal them, and if they have 1 card left then use soldevi sentry to make them draw a card for the instant win for 1 on 1

the mirrari is to flush additional libraries
Date Posted: Fri May/06/11 at 8:11pm

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

I still don't see the huge synergy here.
Date Posted: Fri May/06/11 at 10:34pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

As hungry said there is not huge synergy going on here, in fact there isn't any synergy, as it stands bitter ordeal will only mill 1 card. I see 2 possibilities...

1) you misinterperted the bitter ordeal and did not realize that the gravestorm only triggers based on the number of cards(permanants) going to the grave from the battlefield

2) bitter ordeal was not the card you ment to have there, maybe you were looking for haunted echoes

Also the sentry is a may trigger the opponent doesn't have to draw
Date Posted: Sat May/07/11 at 6:16pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

hmm... i think i misread the gravestorm... maybe not use the traumatize (thought it said for each card pu in grave), use something like balance (after sacrificing all your land to zuran orb and creatures to altar of dementia) so everyones land and creatures are gone... then use the bitter ordeal
Date Posted: Wed May/11/11 at 2:41pm

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

sentry still has "may" printed on it lol
Date Posted: Wed May/11/11 at 2:41pm

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

sentry still has "may" printed on it lol




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