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draw and discard your life

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Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 3:50 pm

Nightmare
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Joined: 13-Mar-11

title says it all. painful quandary - whenever a opponent cast a spell he or she loses 5 life unless he or she discards a card
Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 4:56pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

does anyone know any red and\or black cards that work like wheel of sun and moon?
Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 5:47pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Can't think of any BR cards that do it however you can create pseado effect using any of the legendary eldrazi.

elixer of immortality works as well and thran foundry/feldon's cane are 1 time use which might be all you need

also you might want to consider wheel of fate and wheel of fortune,


[Edited by gericault5 on 14/Mar/11 at 5:51PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 11:16pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Words of War and Words of Waste if your goal is to prevent decking yourself.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 11:26pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

don't forget words of wind and words of wilding and words of wisdom...
Date Posted: Mon Mar/14/11 at 11:26pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

and did you noticed that the "Words of" cycle's abbreviations are all WoW?
Date Posted: Tue Mar/15/11 at 1:22pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

i was looking for cards to put cards from grave to library, because i usually play a six player game with this combo and my friends like to tramatize and glipse the unthinkable this deck . any ideas on that one
Date Posted: Tue Mar/15/11 at 3:16pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09


You don't even need the color. It's just a mill shield.
Date Posted: Tue Mar/15/11 at 5:08pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

sweet thanks and if i draw it , i can play it and put it on bottom with mistveil plains.

[Edited by Nightmare on 17/Mar/11 at 10:59AM]
Date Posted: Tue Mar/22/11 at 10:18pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

add psychosis crawler for extra damage and protection
Date Posted: Wed Mar/23/11 at 12:48am

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

gnat miser will tick'em off , throw four in and make there maximum hand size three if u have them all out, just multiple ways to make them hate u.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 2:42pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

Hollowborn Barghest would help a little depending which way u build it
Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 3:04pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

if anyone has any suggestions to add to the combo , please feel free to spit them at me , cause i'm always changing this deck around , mainly anything having to deal with drawing ,discarding to take damage or revolving around the number of cards in their hand
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 4:49am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

ever heard of the temple bell + mind over matter combo... or maybe temple bell + Aphetto alchemist enchated with something that can untap...
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 11:10am

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

nice combos i can use the bell but the others r blue
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 6:04pm

Akinas86
Posts: 327
Joined: 16-Jun-10

or if possible, use darksteel colossus as a way to prevent self-decking due to his ability.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 7:23pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

too bad... most of the cards that let's you draw are from blue and cards that discard are from black...
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 8:03pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

originally i was going to make it blue black , but i decided to go red black because of dragonmage , i tried with all three but had to much mana problems at the beginning
Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 10:08pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

oh you want that ability? well how about,






and some:





[Edited by shakii23 on 27/Mar/11 at 10:09PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/28/11 at 12:03am

Nightmare
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Joined: 13-Mar-11

those are some very good substitutes , i think i will have to build a second thats blue black. your quite the researcher
Date Posted: Mon Mar/28/11 at 4:24am

shakii23
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Joined: 08-Sep-09

i know and gatherer is a good tool to use to find cards that you desire(if it exists, that is)...
Date Posted: Mon Mar/28/11 at 4:54pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

so thats how u do it, i'm still gonna try the blue black, but i still think dragonmage has a advantage , being a creature to block " since there is not that many in with this combo" and being able to block flying. yea he has to attack directly for his ability to work but thats nothing whispersilk cloak wont help . do u know of any blue creatures that would help out

[Edited by Nightmare on 28/Mar/11 at 4:58PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/28/11 at 5:03pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

darksteel colossus would be great for the red and black but if its the only one in my deck 'remove target players top card of his or her library from the game'.but still has good chance because they usually lose before i have to worry about it. ill need something to put all cards back in. which blue "shakii23" has quite a few of.

[Edited by Nightmare on 28/Mar/11 at 5:03PM]

[Edited by Nightmare on 28/Mar/11 at 5:12PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/28/11 at 7:20pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

There are mana ways to do it in Black/Blue... Have you tried Upheaval? My friend once did an upheaval-psychatog deck... it was fun...
Date Posted: Tue Mar/29/11 at 6:54pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

that would be nasty with tefari and underworld
Date Posted: Tue Mar/29/11 at 9:33pm

shakii23
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Joined: 08-Sep-09

and with megrim...
Date Posted: Tue Mar/29/11 at 11:56pm

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

cause u know they r gonna be discarding if u throw in gnat miser to reduce their maximum hand size by 1 for each one out
Date Posted: Wed Mar/30/11 at 12:12am

Nightmare
Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

this is the way i have this deck right now ( still under revision )


3 painful quandry

3 underworld dreams

3 teferi's puzzlebox

3 font of mythos

3 megrim

4 gnat miser

2 dragon mage

2 spellbook

2 ivory tower

3 psychosis crawler

4 dark ritual

2 seething song

1 burnt offering

1 lavaborn muse

3 stitch together

1 geths grimore


with 9 swamps and 7 moutains , 56 cards all together .it plays nice and quick

[Edited by Nightmare on 30/Mar/11 at 12:13AM]




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