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all ur land r belong to me

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Grim Poppet

{7}

Artifact Creature — Scarecrow

Shadowmoor

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This creature enters with three -1/-1 counters on it. Remove a -1/-1 counter from this creature: Put a -1/-1 counter on another target creature.

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Necroskitter

{1}{B}{B}

Creature — Elemental

Eventide

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Wither (This deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters.) Whenever a creature an opponent controls with a -1/-1 counter on it dies, you may return that card to the battlefield under your control.

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Date Posted: Wed Feb/09/11 at 8:04 pm

Spengo
Posts: 49
Joined: 22-Jul-10

Pretty self explanatory

with nature\'s revolt, blowfly, and necroskitter in play, drop soulsnuffer to put a -1/-1 on all creatures (including their lands) and then drop grim poppet.  Put a single counter on any given land.  This will kill the land and allow blowfly infestation to put a counter on another land, which lets you put another counter on another land and so on.  When you have killed all lands except yours, you put the final counter back on grim poppet.  Since nature\'s revolt reads \"All lands are creatures\" that extends to the graveyard and necroskitter pulls them back to be creatures under your control that are still lands.  You just board wiped all mana and made it your own army.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/09/11 at 8:06pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Actually, I don't think that works, starting with the "lands in graveyards are still creatures." I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/09/11 at 8:18pm

Spengo
Posts: 49
Joined: 22-Jul-10

it definitely does work with natures revolt simply because the wording isn't "it becomes" or "until end of turn".  It is simply creating a state-based effect that makes them creatures.  In hand, they are basically 2/2 creatures tha play for 0.

Since necroskitter says "when a creature with a -1/-1 goes to the graveyard, put it back in play under your control", the land is a creature that went to the graveyard.

It's all in nature's revolt wording.  It isn't triggered or activated but state based so it works.  I don't think there are any other cards that work this way.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/09/11 at 8:40pm

Spengo
Posts: 49
Joined: 22-Jul-10

also, it doesn't say "lands in play are creatures".  It merely turns all lands into 2/2 creatures wherever they are. You could even use a card to find target creature in your library and get a forest if you wanted to with natures revolt in play.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/09/11 at 9:47pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

 also, it doesn't say "lands in play are creatures".  It merely turns all lands into 2/2 creatures wherever they are. You could even use a card to find target creature in your library and get a forest if you wanted to with natures revolt in play.

While it might not say that directly, it does say it.  Like all permanats lands only exist on the battlefield in any other zone be it the graveyard, library, or hand they are cards.  Nature's revolt doesn't affect anything outside the battlefield.  That is why tutors say find a basic land card, find a creature card.  So even with natures revolt in play you play a tutor that says find a creature card  in your libray, the only land you can find with it is dryads arbor.

This does work but not because of anything special natures revolt is doing, it would work with any animate land spell-linving plane or natural affintiy for example.  It works simply because all necroskitter cares about is that a creature had a -1/-1 counter on it when it went to the grave.  what happens to that creature in the grave (in this case they cease being creatures) is illrelevant.  That is why necroskitter says to return the card not the creature.


[Edited by gericault5 on 9/Feb/11 at 9:49PM]
Date Posted: Thu Feb/10/11 at 10:56am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Thanks gericault5 for the ruling. Also one more card that affects cards not in play specifically is conspiracy.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/10/11 at 8:20pm

Spengo
Posts: 49
Joined: 22-Jul-10

Indeed thank you for the specifics on that.  I played that last night in a casual game and everyone threw a fit.  I think they were more mad that I had all their lands and it amounted to TONS of free mana, but it seemed about 50/50 whether or not it could be done.  I was already sure of it but since I was the one playing the combo in question my belief in it didn't seem to matter. 
Date Posted: Thu Feb/10/11 at 9:08pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

HOLY SHIT GERICULT CHANGED HIS AVATAR!!!




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