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Juniper Cauldron version 2

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Murderous Redcap

{2}{B/R}{B/R}

Creature — Goblin Assassin

Shadowmoor

Read rules for Murderous Redcap
When this creature enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target. Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)

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Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 9:41 am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Infinite damage.
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 9:45am

Pynix
Posts: 9
Joined: 01-Feb-11

I like that one better than the Sigil Captain, Redcap, Scarland thrinax combo i had. Yours is cheaper and more effective.
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 10:30am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

How is this infinate? The redcap only comes back if it doesnt have a -1-1 counter. How did u remove it?
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 10:38am

Pynix
Posts: 9
Joined: 01-Feb-11

Juniper's +1/+1 counter that it gives murderous redcap when it returns to play cancels out the -1/-1 counter that it would receive from persist.
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 11:00am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

I dont believe that cancels out a -1 -1 counter. It still has the counter. It has a +1 +1 and -1 -1 which means it has a -1 -1 counter which means it doesnt persist the second time. I may be wrong but i dont think the effects of two or more counters balancing out physically removes the counter. Persist doesn't care if the counters balance, only that there is still a - 1/1 on the card. If some one can clarify i'd like that preferably with a quote from the rules so i can look it up. Thanks.
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 11:50am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel each other out. and they are both removed from the permanant with them.  but only those counters so if you have a +2/+2 counter and a -1/-1 counter you have two counters not 1 +1/+1 counter

If you look at the Shadowmoor Faq it explains it there 
Date Posted: Tue Feb/08/11 at 12:21pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

thanks




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