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Destroy all their stuff fixed?

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Elspeth, Knight-ErrantEnlarge

Elspeth, Knight-Errant

{2}{W}{W}

Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth

Shards of Alara

Read rules for Elspeth, Knight-Errant
+1: Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token. +1: Target creature gets +3/+3 and gains flying until end of turn. −8: You get an emblem with "Artifacts, creatures, enchantments, and lands you control have indestructible."

Loyalty: 4

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Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 9:26 pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Does this one work?

Use Elspeth's final ability to make all your stuff indestructible and destroy all your opponent's stuff every upkeep.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 9:42pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

it should work...
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 9:55pm

MaDgreenShrek
Posts: 10
Joined: 03-Feb-11

serenity doesnt target any specific artifact or enchantment, it targets all artifacts and entchantments...isnt that a global effect?
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:11pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Thanks shakii23! I already have all the parts of the combo. I was trying to find a way of blowing up everything on my opponent's side and keeping my own stuff. Since the Elspeth is a permanent and also becomes  an enchantment, her final ability should protect herself also when my upkeep comes around. Just have to add some white and/or blue Proliferate cards to ramp up to her final ability quicker. Probably Thrummingbird, Steady Progress and Inexorable Tide.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:12pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

It'll work.
Madgreen--Yes serenity is a global effect however Elspeth's ultimate makes everything indestrictble so it won't get trashed. If serenity said exile enchantments instead of destroy that would be a differant story

[Edited by gericault5 on 3/Feb/11 at 10:13PM]
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:15pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

MaDgreenShrek

If you use Elspeth, Knight-Errant's final ability all enchantments (including herself) are indestructible.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:20pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

She wouldn't be indestructable until she was made an enchantment. Normally she is a planeswalker, and therefore she wouldn't be indestructable.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:28pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Enchanted Evening is in play, so she survives.
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 10:45pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

As long as she has at least 1 counter on her
Date Posted: Thu Feb/03/11 at 11:28pm

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Elspeth doesn't have to survive. Once you get  the emblem it stays in the game and nothing can get rid of it other than you losing the game, which isn't very likely since you'll be blowing up all your opponent's permanents every upkeep!

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=217825

Emblems behave similarly to enchantments: They have an ability that, in a general sense, continually affects the game. The primary difference between them is that emblems aren't permanents and don't exist on the battlefield. Nothing in the game can remove an emblem, simply because no other spell or ability references them. Once you get an emblem, you keep it for the rest of the game. Emblems have no color, name, card type, or other characteristics beyond the listed ability

 
[Edited by JimTilson on 3/Feb/11 at 11:31PM]

[Edited by JimTilson on 3/Feb/11 at 11:46PM]
Date Posted: Fri Feb/04/11 at 4:01am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Personally, I prefer the entire Enchanted Evening, Flash and Aura Thief approach. It's much faster and more reliable (leaving yourself at an absolute advantage).
Date Posted: Fri Feb/04/11 at 7:40am

MaDgreenShrek
Posts: 10
Joined: 03-Feb-11

Im fairly new to mtg,i used to play back on 03 and stopped for 6 years.
I started playing last year ago again...god how i missed it;)
I only went to 2 tournaments so far cause im more of a casual player so i have to learn a lot about rulings.
There is a question that i have asked to the store owner were i buy my cards, but so far i never had a conclusive answer. So maybe you guys can help?
Im gonna simplify by given example:
My opponent has Darksteel colossus and another random creature that has protection from black on the battlefield...I play DAMNATION,does it affect his creatures or not? The guy in the store says that a spell that doesnt target a specific target ignores all abilitys such as protection,indestructible,etc...so what happens?
thanks for the info
Date Posted: Fri Feb/04/11 at 9:30am

JimTilson
Posts: 160
Joined: 07-Jul-09

Ephemerance,

Let's see: Enchanted Evening + Flash + Aura Thief = Gain control of all your opponents (one time only) stuff for 5 colorless and 4 Blue mana,  and you still have to sack the Aura Thief to make it work.

Versus:

 Enchanted Evening + Serenity + Elspeth, Knight-Errant (final ability) = Blow up all your opponents stuff for the rest of the game during each of your upkeeps.

Hmm, tough call, I say why not do both! Just play the Flash + Aura Thief either before your turn, before your upkeep, or stack the spells to your advantage at the beginning of your upkeep (if your opponent has anything worth stealing already in play).
Date Posted: Fri Feb/04/11 at 10:00am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

My opponent has Darksteel colossus and another random creature that has protection from black on the battlefield...I play DAMNATION,does it affect his creatures or not? The guy in the store says that a spell that doesnt target a specific target ignores all abilitys such as protection,indestructible,etc...so what happens?

His pro-black creature will be destroyed, the colossus will not.  and now the reasons why

Colossus-if a creature is indestructible it you ignore all effects that contain the word "destroy" in them such as Damnation, doomblade, orWrath of god.  Being a global or target effect is illrelavant as that is what indestructible means, it can't be destroyed.  Lowering toughness to 0 will send an indestructable to the grave because that is not actually destroying it, it is being removed due to state based effects.(colossus would be reshuffled instead)  Removing it from game/exile is not destroying so that would work as well

Pro-black creature- If a creature has Protection from anything.  it prevents whatever the anything is from causing DEBT.  DEBT stands for Damage, Enchant/equip, Blocking, and Targeting.  Damnation does not do damage, it does not enchant, it does not block, and it does not target.  Since it does not do anything that a problack creature is not protected from damnation.  But that does not mean all global effects would work on a pro creature, it depends on what an effect does.  For example, pestalience has a global effect however it would not hurt a pro-black creature because it works by causing damage and a problack creature can;t be hurt by a black source. 

Hope that clears things up
Date Posted: Sat Feb/05/11 at 9:06pm

MaDgreenShrek
Posts: 10
Joined: 03-Feb-11

Finally a answer i can use.
Thanks a ton
Date Posted: Sat Feb/05/11 at 10:15pm

Ph30n1x
Posts: 7
Joined: 04-Feb-11

Gilder bairn is a good way to quickly boost number of counters on planeswalkers

 




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