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Combo Name: Goblin Combo (extended) Submitted By: Dragonan9
Card Name
Type
Cost
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Wort, the Raidmother
 Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman 4(R/G)(R/G) 3/3 Shadowmoor, Rare

Dragon Fodder
 Sorcery 1R Shards of Alara, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $0.82
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 6:32 am

Dragonan9
Posts: 2
Joined: 12-Sep-10

Play Wort, the Raidmother, put two 1/1 goblin into play, then play Dragon Fodder. Put two 1/1 goblin and use conspire form Wort, the Raidmother tap two untapped goblin, put goblin, tap goblin, put goblin...INFINITE GOBLIN! You can also use Mobilize to untap them.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 6:36am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Good correction gericault.


[Edited by Ephemerance on 8/Nov/10 at 1:15PM]
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 10:56am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Sorry this doesn't work for 2 reasons first additional cost such as conspire need to be paid at the time of casting so you can not tap the goblins that are created by the copy to pay for another copy. Since the fodder has already been cast. The 2nd reason actually makes the first irrelevant. You can only conspire 1 time for each instance of conspire so you can only make 1 copy of fodder
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 11:23am

Manaburn
Posts: 45
Joined: 26-Aug-10

I'm not sure.  He is using only one conspire per spell because each copy that he makes also has conspire.  Therefore he uses the goblins created from the original fodder to pay the conspire cost on the first copied fodder.  His goblins are always one step ahead of the conspire cost, if that makes sense.   I originally thought this wouldn't work as well, but I'm not so sure now, it may.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 11:55am

Manaburn
Posts: 45
Joined: 26-Aug-10

I mean he uses the golbins from the Wort to pay the conspire on the fodder, then the goblins from the fodder to pay the conspire on the copied fodder, and so on.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 1:16pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

The problem is that it conspire is a trigger that activates when you cast the spell (not when a copy of the spell is put onto the stack).
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 1:39pm

Manaburn
Posts: 45
Joined: 26-Aug-10

I understand that but each copy also has conspire, according to the wort.  The wort says spells that are played, not cast.  So you are playing the conspire from each copy, not repaying on the original.  It works because you already have two goblins out before you cast the fodder.

  You cast the fodder and get two more goblins, tap the original two goblins for the conspire.  Now the copied fodder has conspire and you have two goblins from the previous fodder.  So you always have two goblins BEFORE you copy the next fodder.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 1:51pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I realize what your saying however it is the same reason copies of spells with storm don't trigger the storm ability, they are not being played.  Copies are put on the stack as a result of a spell or ability and resolve from there.  For a spell to be played (cast) there are a number of steps that are done before hand, copies do not go through any of those steps

also concerning Wort and conspire, at the time of printing they do say "play a spell" however with the M10 rules change, the word play was changed to cast to prevent confusion from putting into play(such as copies).  So if you look at the errtaed text Wort now says cast
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 2:03pm

Manaburn
Posts: 45
Joined: 26-Aug-10

Thanks for clearing that up my big confusion was over the wording.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 4:36pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It's too bad that this doesn't work. It would have been nice.



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