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Combo Name: Draco trick Submitted By: Ephemerance
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Draco
 Artifact Creature 16 Planeshift, Rare

Stratadon
 Artifact Creature 10 Planeshift, Uncommon

Prismatic Omen
 Enchantment 1G Shadowmoor, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $7.03
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 9:40 pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Whoops. Anyway, this is how to make either card 5 to 10 mana cheaper to cast.


[Edited by Ephemerance on 7/Nov/10 at 1:02AM]
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 10:06pm

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

There's only 5 basic land types?
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 11:21am

Atir
Posts: 150
Joined: 18-May-10

You get draco for -4 mana(lol) and Stratodon for 0 mana... there are 10 basic land types


[Edited by Atir on 7/Nov/10 at 11:22AM]

[Edited by Atir on 7/Nov/10 at 11:23AM]
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 11:38am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Draco costs 6 and Stratadon costs 5.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 12:04pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Forest, island, swamp, plains, mountain --there are only 5 basic land types. Draco and stad only care about the types in play not how many of eeach type
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 12:07pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

That is what I said. . .
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 12:17pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

A). No you didn't. All you did is list the cost. I clarified what redpanda said earlier by stating what the basic land types were since there was still confusion

B). You of all people should not be opening their mouth about repeating what people write earlier in the post.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 12:28pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Who died in your family recently?
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 1:23pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

what makes you think someone died, because I did something you do all the time or that I called you on it.  I'm thinking its the latter.  you don't like when someone calls out your failure, you can't handle it, even when its true.   But it is true, you repeat things that have already been said, many time you do it word for word.  And actually it didn't bother me, but then you have the gall to say i did n't need to say anything because my talking about land types was the same as your talking about cost. when you sit there repeating what others say just to increase your post count. 

and If you need an example, here you go, right on the first page, http://www.mtgcombos.com/view.php?fid=2&tid=29490.  Scotty already made it clear, but you have to have the last word and even if you have to say the exact same thing, you will have the last word cause heaven forbid someone catchs up to Turbine in number of posts
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 1:33pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I actually had a reason for that post. (Even though I have repeated things on multiple times). I had a link to the official rules website. Some people do care about that. Also, he said that it wasn't errata'd, even though it was.

I think that you are overreacting to a habit of mine.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 1:50pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

When I said "No, it looks like they didn't." I was referring to the time counters the other person mentioned.

I'm going to predict Turbine's next post: "I already knew that. I'm just sayin'..."

;)
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 1:54pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

and like i said turbine it didn't bother me, until you decided to open your mouth and basically say I shouldn't have responed since you did, and if you read my post you would see I actually had a reason for it.  Are you saying its ok for you to clarify what others say but not for anybody else and sure as hell not for something you say. 

Here's an idea.  Keep your mouth shut if someone posts a clarification, their doing it so people can learn,  and don;t ask if someone died if you don't like what they say.  thats just stupid.

and if you took 5 seconds to look at what Scotty posted you will see it does accknowledge that it comes from the offical rules

 i second that scotty :)

 


[Edited by gericault5 on 7/Nov/10 at 2:13PM]
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 2:27pm

Atir
Posts: 150
Joined: 18-May-10

There are 10 basic land types-mountain, island, forest, plains, swamp, SNOW-COVERED mountain, SNOW-COVERED island, SNOW-COVERED forest, SNOW-COVERED plains and SNOW-COVERED swamp
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 2:56pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Think of it like an artifact creature. You don't say that that artifact is a creature type
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 2:59pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

since there is still some confusion here

305.6. The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to one of these subtypes.

Snow is a supertype so for example a creature type can be a "human soldier or a cat soldier" in this case human and cat are the supertypes.  and soldier is the subtype both those cards will receive any benefits to soldiers, supertype doesn't matter

plains and snow covered plains are the same in terms of subtype (plains), which is what Draco and such looks for.  so there are only 5
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 3:01pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yep. . .

(^_^)
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 3:09pm

Atir
Posts: 150
Joined: 18-May-10

Oh sorry... then i must tell some thing to my friend :D...
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 2:01pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Golly, I feel as though this was a confusion I generated. Of course my first mistake was that I read Strat's text as Draco's and jumped to the conclusion Strat's text reduced cost by 2 per basic land type (whoops).

I think tempers got a little higher than they should've though. Yes, Turbine was pointing out that in this circumstance, Draco and Stratadon would cost 6 and 5 respectively. gericault was clarifying for Atir how many land types there were, and Turbine injected that this was already implied by his statement.

And then the blood boiled. I'm pretty sure this is how the play-by-play went.

gericault - "You won't let anyone beat the number of posts you have!"
Turbine - "Who died in your family to put you on edge??"
gericault - "Don't test me heathen! I will be a judge at your next tournament" *cites rules and scribes in a little black book*

Atir pipes in - "Aren't there 10 basic land types?"
Turbine uses an analogy to answer
gericault cites rules from the comprehensive

Turbine sighs to himself but concedes that flashing off comprehensive rules has more legitimacy, even if he already answered the question.

Turbine mutters under his breath - "well at least I have more posts..."
gericault - "Do you always have to have the last word?"

*pause*

Turbine - "yep"



You two both rock my socks, don't try to kill eachother on here. And yes, if memory serves, there was a point in time when they changed the text to time counters for time vault, and shortly after reverted back to the older oracle text. Ah yes, back in the day when wizards was trying to fix the loopholes rather than purposely print new ones each series.

I don't think post count should really be a serious issue gericault. I enjoy people who keep a forum going, and I also enjoy people who know the rules with 90+% accuracy such as yourself. Relax, take a load off.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 2:27pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

You need to work on your play by play the dead family came before the post comment and that just throws everything out of line but that doesn't matter, and neither does this post. turbine and I let it go so what's the point of bringing it back up?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 2:28pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

if i'm not mistaken,  this is a forum to discuss combos, not try and talk big smack over the internet to someone you will never meet. and if you ever did, well... be lucky its not me
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 4:40pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I actually never said anything about my post count. A large number of posts does not a smart person make.

I don't want to go through another argument though.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 6:03pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Gericault, it's an artistic license. It's a caricature of your personalities; it's designed to be satirical and lighten the mood because personally, I think what you two were fighting over was stupid. There shouldn't be hard feelings generated over pedantic quarrels like that.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 6:27pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I thought that it was rather funny, no matter the fact that it brought in things that I didn't say. . .

but I do have the most posts. . .(^_^)
Date Posted: Mon Nov/08/10 at 7:38pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Hahaha, oh you.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/09/10 at 12:18am

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

ton of posts = no life
Date Posted: Tue Nov/09/10 at 8:38am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Pretty much. Or too much time in school.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/09/10 at 9:53am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

"Brevity is the soul of wit"
The most post I will admit, but do you say the most, or merely have the most words?
Date Posted: Tue Nov/09/10 at 2:25pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

"Quotes does not an intellectual person make."
Date Posted: Tue Nov/09/10 at 10:10pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Indeed. Quoting is merely finding another's wisdom. Applying it well is making it your own.



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