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3 blue - kill creature and repeat

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Ovinomancer

{2}{U}

Creature — Human Wizard

Time Spiral Timeshifted

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When this creature enters, sacrifice it unless you return three basic lands you control to their owner's hand. {T}, Return this creature to its owner's hand: Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated. That creature's controller creates a 0/1 green Sheep creature token.

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Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 5:04 am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Use Ovinomancer's tap ability before it's enter-battlefield trigger resolves and you won't have to pay it.


[Edited by Ephemerance on 10/Oct/10 at 5:06AM]
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 8:34am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I'm not sure if it will work, but it will be great if it does.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 10:21am

Bladelord00
Posts: 112
Joined: 13-Nov-08

no it does not work

when you play it the come into play ability goes on stack giving you a chance to tap ovinimancer if it has haste which then stacks to return to hand and then you get down to the comes into play ability on the stack
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 5:35pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

If I'm not mistaken, the ability fizzles because you are forced to sacrifice it (but can't because it is no longer in play). You can pay the alternative cost to replace the sacrifice effect, but there is no need to. If the card had said "sacrifice this or return three basic lands" it would be a different story.

This works.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 6:49pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Actually, as I think about it, I believe it doesn't work.

Alternate example: Oblivion Ring and Vedalken Mastermind. Even though the Ring was returned to your hand, it still targets the non-land permanent.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 9:49pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

This works fine, here's the breakdown

play the ovinmancer its come into play ability goes on the stack, before it resolves tap the ovinmance due to haste and return the ovinmancer to hand as part of the cost,  then destroy target creature, after that the comes into play ability resolves asking you if you want to sac the ovinomancer or return 3 basic lands to you hand.  choose not to return the lands, so the ability says sac the ovinomancer which is not in play so the ability does nothing since there is nothing to sac
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 11:32am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

I'm waiting with baited breath for final decision on this combo. *drools while getting Omnivomancers ready to put in decks*
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 5:57pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Gericault had the final decision. . .