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Combo Name: WIN IN FIVE TURNS TELL ME IT WONT WORK NOW!!! Submitted By: PHATGROWER
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Paradigm Shift
 Sorcery 1U Weatherlight, Rare

Tormod's Crypt
 Artifact 0 The Dark, Uncommon

Twincast
 Instant UU Saviors of Kamigawa, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $3.36
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 2:39 pm

PHATGROWER
Posts: 37
Joined: 20-Nov-09

play Tormod's crypt use it remove opponents grave from game Paradigm shift yourself throw Twincast on opponent their turn cant draw GAME OVER
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 5:33pm

Cianidexx
Posts: 16
Joined: 08-Dec-09

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty positive even with using Twin Cast/Fork, you cannot change the actual wording of the card. You will just be copying the Shift twice, removing your entire deck/graveyard from the game.

Unless the Shift was errata'd to be target player, it only says 'your,' which means the new target with twin cast must be yourself yet again. Completely screwing yourself over.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 6:36pm

PHATGROWER
Posts: 37
Joined: 20-Nov-09

www.ebbemunk.dk look under contents for target, and you,your all the rules are there
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 7:55pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Maybe you're right but to make things less complicated, use hivemind...
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 7:55pm

Cianidexx
Posts: 16
Joined: 08-Dec-09

The card does not say target player nor target opponent, it's sol target is you. You have no choice where the card is able to go. You can try to twincast it someone else, but unless I'm proved wrong I'm almost certain it will be an illegal target unless the target is in fact you.

Something roughly similar is trying to cast Swerve when your opponent uses Cruel Ultimatum, you can't do it unless it's in a multi-player game. The target must be legal using the cards text or it's current errata.

If this did work, it would be very nice, but as I said, I am pretty sure that it doesn't.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 7:56pm

Cianidexx
Posts: 16
Joined: 08-Dec-09

Sole*

Yay for typos.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 8:20pm

PHATGROWER
Posts: 37
Joined: 20-Nov-09

if thats the way its being seen then a counterspell is not worth s**t right it reads counter TARGET spell on the card or paradigm shift cant be countered being its not a TARGET spell but shakii23 thanks that card will work and magic you need help with rules bad
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 9:00pm

Cianidexx
Posts: 16
Joined: 08-Dec-09

You took what I said out of context, either that or you completely misunderstood it. Yes, Counterspell reads "Counter target spell" because it is targeting a spell as it is being cast and negating it.

The reason you can't switch targets when twin casting said spell is because it doesn't say target player or target opponent, it pretty plainly says "You." That being said, the only legal target is you, you cannot target someone else with Paradigm Shift.

That is why this combo wouldn't work. Someone else said to use Hive Mind, this would in fact work, if you tossed in Morningtide when playing in multiplayer, you would singlehandedly win a free-for-all.

So, the new combo would be

Paradigm Shift
Hive Mind
Tormod's Crypt (for 1 on 1)
Morningtide (for multiplayer)

This, would be very nice. A real combo, making the card do something it wasn't originally designed to do. I might actually think of tossing this into my U/W deck for fun.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 9:43pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Actually you can only change the target of a card if there is a target word or related word... And target must be legal... For example, if the opponent casted a card that says "Target opponent" like Duress. You can still change the target if it is a multiplayer game or else you are still the only legal target because you are the only opponent of the caster..
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 10:45pm

PHATGROWER
Posts: 37
Joined: 20-Nov-09

whenever the phrase "target [somthing] is a phrase that describes an object,player,or a zone,appears in a spell or ability,the controller of the spell or ability chooses somthing that matches whatever follows that word.so therefore your library is a object of the game so that makes it a target!
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 11:09pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Ok Phat, I looked at the rules on the website you gave, IT'S DATED 2005.  We discussed this before, rules change, such as with targeting.  I suggest you go to the wizards website and review the recent rules, which were dated 10/1/2009.

If you don't want to do that, Allow me to throw this website out to you:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=191322

This is the offical rulings for Twincast directly from Wizards of the Coast, where the final rule on the list is, and I quote






10/1/2009 If the copy says that it affects "you," it affects the controller of the copy, not the controller of the original spell. Similarly, if the copy says that it affects an "opponent," it affects an opponent of the copy's controller, not an opponent of the original spell's controller.


You are the controller of Twincast therefore you control the copy, so the shift affects you twice.  I'm sorry but currently there is no way for you to direct Shift to another player
Date Posted: Tue Dec/08/09 at 11:53pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

And that's the end of the discussion... Congratulations Gericault for ending it...
Date Posted: Wed Dec/09/09 at 2:50pm

SKETCH
Posts: 51
Joined: 01-Sep-09

Oracle text: Exile all cards from your library. Then shuffle your graveyard into your library.



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