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God Hand competition (Entry 3)

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Dragonstorm

{8}{R}

Sorcery

Time Spiral Timeshifted

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Search your library for a Dragon permanent card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)

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Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 7:05 am

Ephemerance
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Where\'s your God now?

This is a minor adaption to counter Shakii\'s Hindering Touch. That\'s one less weakness on the table. The only hand I could think of that would crush this now is Gericault\'s suggestion of with a minor change:

Spirit Guide
Gemstone Caverns
(any one card for GC)
Trickbind
Mindbreak trap
Mindbreak trap
Mindbreak trap

I play out BL,  Blood Celebrant and Channel (or 3 Black Lotuses). Upon the third spell, he can cast mindbreak trap to exile it. I would respond with Pact of Negation, he would let it resolve, cancelling his trap. Immediately after, while my Lotus is on the top of the stack, he would cast another mindbreak trap. I would respond with another Pact of Negation, he would let it resolve and then for the third time cast the trap. I would end this by casting my own Mindbreak trap (exiling his spell).

Once I manage to cast Dragonstorm, he counters the storm trigger with Trickbind, causing me only to be able to grab only one dragon.

Knowing he has no more cards, I would find the best dragon I could that has haste and boost-ability. This would be Hellkite Overlord, a 8/8 with flying, haste and (R) +1/+0.


Casting Channel will cost me 2 life (due to converting black into green via Celebrant). Gathering enough mana for Dragonstorm will cost an additional 10 life (9 for mana, one for converting to red). This leaves my life at 8. I can boost the Hellkite by 3, leaving me at 2 life.

I would bring my opponent down to 9 life, and then die when it comes back around to my turn and I can\'t pay the cost for those two pacts of negation.

So until they create a dragon which is 20/20 with haste, this God-hand has a single weakness. a seemingly exclusive weakness in fact, which I think is beautifully impressive.
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 7:45am

Ephemerance
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Correction; I would look for Scion of the Ur-Dragon, use it's ability to put a dragon with haste in my graveyard, declare attacking, use the ability again to look for Dragon Tyrant and throw him in the graveyard, making the Scion a copy of the Tyrant. Spending two more life to boost him by one power and hitting the opponent for 14 life. Leaving him at 6.

If you were playing a game where both players started off at 40 life, you would win. Guaranteed, with no chance of the other person being able to stop you.
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 7:51am

Ephemerance
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Joined: 18-Jun-09

Wait. Nevermind, the opponent's always going to be at least 4 points ahead with the current cards.

Anyway, that's the best I can do :p
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 8:51am

gericault5
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Gathering enough mana for Dragonstorm will cost an additional 10 life (9 for mana, one for converting to red).

How do you convert to red, of the 3 black mana from lotus you use 1 for bc, and 2 to convert to G for channel.

Oh and for this you can change trickbind to negate or mindbreak:P
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 11:02am

Ephemerance
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Need to swap the Celebrant out for manamorphose, and that would give another card in the hand too

And since we're dealing with the most improbable case anyway, why not say that there is a second mindbreak trap already in the starting hand, and dragonstorm is that card that is drawn. Meaning, there are four counterspells ready to go from the start.

The most you could have in your hand is 2 force of wills and 3 Mindbreak traps. You still have the advantage (casting 2 FoWs against BL and I would counter with two PoNs, meaning you could start throwing in the 3 mindbreak traps and beat me by one).

So close :p
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 2:51pm

Turbine
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I don't think that this will work. There are too many different colored mana costs.
Date Posted: Fri Sep/17/10 at 6:05pm

RedPanda
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Leyline+Chalice+counterbackup
Date Posted: Sat Sep/18/10 at 9:09pm

Turbine
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Which Leyline?
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 1:00am

Ephemerance
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There would only be the 2 green for the channel, and 1 red for the dragonstorm.

The chalice would work, except the first player starts with priority and can play any number of spells before the other players get priority. I could play out a black lotus and channel before you get priority to do anything. But I concede, if someone had a hand consisting of 2 FoW and 3 Mindbreak traps (mind break trap essentially being a counterspell that works against potentially everything that is on the stack for 0 mana), you could defeat any hand.
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 7:41am

shakii23
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so i can't use 4 mindbreak traps?
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 9:06am

gericault5
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The chalice would work, except the first player starts with priority and can play any number of spells before the other players get priority. I could play out a black lotus and channel before you get priority to do anything

This is not correct, since you do not have the leyline you can not play things at instant speed, as a result you can not have the lotus and channel on the stack at the same time, since both can only be played when the stack is empty.  so to make the stack with the lotus on it empty, priority needs to pass between both players so the lotus can resolve.  So he does receive priority and since he has the leyline while your lotus is still on the stack, he can play his lotus, followed by spirt guide, followed by the chalice with 2 counters in anticapation of you casting the channel.  and then your lotus resolves.

It should be noted that if he cast his lotus with 0 counters on it, it would not affect your lotus that is on the stack, the chalice can only counter spells if the number of counters matchs at the time of casting,

and yes you can use 4 mindbreak there is no restrictions on that card


[Edited by gericault5 on 19/Sep/10 at 9:07AM]
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 12:50pm

Zark-the-Damned
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'Correction; I would look for Scion of the Ur-Dragon, use it's ability to put a dragon with haste in my graveyard, declare attacking, use the ability again to look for Dragon Tyrant and throw him in the graveyard, making the Scion a copy of the Tyrant. Spending two more life to boost him by one power and hitting the opponent for 14 life. Leaving him at 6.'

Just a heads up; this doesn't work.

Once Scion's ability resolves, it no longer has it's ability to transform into a different dragon (it's text is replaced by the card it's copying).

You can get close, but will do less damage - what you can do is activate the ability twice (i.e. activate it again before the first one resolves) - get a dragon with Firebreathing, while the first ability is still on the stack pay a bunch of mana to pump the dragon. Then when the original ability resolves, grab a dragon with Haste and swing. You will still keep the pump effect (as continuous effects like pump and giant growth are not overwritten by copy effects). Not sure which Dragons would work best with this though. (Maybe Lightning Dragon for pump and Hellkite Charger for haste and the ability to take extra combat steps...)
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 12:54pm

Turbine
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All of these confusing rulings hurt my head. . .
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 2:55pm

Ephemerance
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[quote=Gericault]So he does receive priority and since he has the leyline while your
lotus is still on the stack, he can play his lotus, followed by spirit
guide, followed by the chalice with 2 counters in anticapation of you
casting the channel.[/quote]

Good correction, but the moment he casts Black Lotus, I could throw some counters down of my own. On a different note, yes, you could have 4 Mindbreaks, I just thought a combination of 2 FoW and 3 MB traps might be the best formula.

Good critique everyone. In the end the mindbreaks are still the only real card that screw over this God-hand. Mainly because now you can have up to 5 working counters in your hand from the start.
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 2:55pm

Ephemerance
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Question: does the stack have to be empty in order for you to declare attack? I'm guessing so, eh?
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 3:06pm

Turbine
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I believe so.
Date Posted: Sun Sep/19/10 at 9:48pm

shakii23
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yup...
Date Posted: Mon Sep/20/10 at 5:54am

Zark-the-Damned
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Yes, the stack must be empty to declare attackers.

At the start of the combat step, the current player receives priority to cast spells and play abilities. If they pass, their opponent receives priority, etc (just like in the other phases). Once all players pass on an empty stack you can then declare attackers.

Once attackers are declared, the current player receives priority etc. and when all players pass the defending players declare blockers.

Once blockers are declared, currently player gets priority, etc. then once everyone passes combat damage is dealt.

After combat damage the current players gets priority, etc. and when all players pass on an empty stack you go to the next main phase.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/20/10 at 7:06am

Turbine
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Yep. . .