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Combo Name: 3rd turn land mill Submitted By: ghostfire86
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Divert
 Instant U Odyssey, Rare

Mana Severance
 Sorcery 1U Tempest, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $2.42
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 6:32 pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

A deck is not very good without its land. Cast Mana Severance to remove land from your deck, then cast Divert and choose your opponent. You can now remove every last bit of land from his/her deck. Make sure that they have all or most of their land tapped, but how many players have 2 mana to spend at the begining of the game.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 8:59pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Don't mean to be a pest, but doesn't there have to be a target mentioned on the card in order to change the target?
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 9:11pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

the target is designated within the text of mana severance as your library. by playing divert you can change it to your opponent.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 9:15pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

another great card to use other than divert is Goblin Flectomancer
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 9:22pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

In that case. Excellent combo. Just being sure before I try to swerve a Drastic revelation.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/12/09 at 10:42pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

The idea is good, however, i see 1 major flaw, you take up 8 card slots in your deck, pay your 3 mana, and then your oppenent says "ok I'll search for 0 lands"-bummer.
Also mana severence or drastic cant be diverted/swerved for pretty much the reason Metal said
Date Posted: Fri Nov/13/09 at 12:10pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

once again i post. mana severence TARGETS YOUR library. Divert only changes the targeted library in play to your opponents. Secondly, regardless if your opponent has three or even better two lands, there are very few decks out there that can run sufficiently on only two-three lands. So "Bummer" = A Game Ender on turn three.
So one more time.
Mana Severance TARGETS Your Library. Divert changes the targeted library to your opponents.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/13/09 at 6:51pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

You do realize that mana severence was printed over 12 years ago and rules and wording have changed since then, which is why the oracle text is the end all. Its easier to keep updated.
Also from the Oct 1, 2009 updated comprensive rules:
113.1a An instant or sorcery spell is targeted if its spell ability identifies something it will affect by using the phrase “target [something],” where the “something” is a phrase that describes an object, player, or zone.

113.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn’t make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word “target” in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it is not a target.

113.9b In particular, the word “you” in an object’s text doesn’t indicate a target.

So mana severence does not target and can not be diverted.

[Edited by gericault5 on 13/Nov/09 at 7:13PM]
Date Posted: Sat Nov/14/09 at 2:16pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

I see what your saying. The comprehensive ruling was printed in 1999. Tempest was printed in 1997. And lastly after doing some searching i see that they started "Target" keyphrase around 1995. Only to clarify the rulings 4 years later...Oh well. It was a wonderfully evil idea.

-Bows his head and cries.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/14/09 at 3:24pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

So...I can't drastic revelation my opponent? *Sigh* Ah well I guess some things were never meant to be.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/14/09 at 8:36pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

It was a good idea. sorry i had to shatter it, hope no offense was taken.



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