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Combo Name: Finish It Submitted By: Twogunkid
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Rally the Horde
 Sorcery 5R Saviors of Kamigawa, Rare

Mana Severance
 Sorcery 1U Tempest, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $1.24
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 4:35 pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Works amazingly with pandemonium make a ton of creatures
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 5:32pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

What would happen when there are no lands though. . .

It says, "when the last card revealed is a land"
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 6:00pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

then i imagine you lose
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 6:02pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

remove all but one land
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 6:20pm

Mentok
Posts: 202
Joined: 26-Jul-10

ok chances of that being the 3rd card removed are kinda slim
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 6:56pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Would you lose though. . .
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 8:17pm

Spengo
Posts: 49
Joined: 22-Jul-10

yes...it's you must not you may.  When you play the card, unless you stack your deck so the last card is the only land, you are going to mill yourself out
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 8:19pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Ah.
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 9:55pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

But you can use the green spell that puts target land to the bottom of library... what was that sorcery spell again?
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 5:20am

John
Posts: 5
Joined: 23-Aug-10

but unless you have something to give them haste you lose the next turn before they can attack, since you wont have any cards to draw at the beginning of your turn,  you also have to worry that even if you do have the land at the bottom of your deck that it might not be the third card turned over in that cycle, the card implys if the last card of 3 drawn is a land you stop drawing, not the last card drawn.


[Edited by John on 23/Aug/10 at 5:22AM]
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 5:42am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Would you die from the card's effect though?
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 6:20am

John
Posts: 5
Joined: 23-Aug-10

not till the beginning of your next turn, the rule is that  you lose if you can not draw during your draw step, if you run out of cards to draw before then you can still play out till your next turn begins.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 6:24am

John
Posts: 5
Joined: 23-Aug-10

let me rephrase that, if you have no cards to draw and are required to draw during your draw step, you lose the game, since there are cards that let you skip your draw step.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 8:33am

Mentok
Posts: 202
Joined: 26-Jul-10

In a nutshell if you don't get lucky or cheat you WILL lose and if you cheat well you still lose.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 8:35am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Or we can look at the first post written by the combo poster

Works amazingly with pandemonium make a ton of creatures

If your doing 1 damage to your opponent for every card in your deck, most likely there isn't another turn
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 8:36am

Mentok
Posts: 202
Joined: 26-Jul-10

yes but if you cant make the creatures happen your SOL on each triple remove if the last card is not a land repeat well if you never get that land as the 3rd you will not get the creatures the cycle must resolve and it only resolves when the 3rd card removed is a land its will stay on loop and on the stack





[Edited by Mentok on 23/Aug/10 at 8:40AM]
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 9:26am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Stack needs to be empty before the game can progress so once a spell starts resolving it needs to finish and does so by doing as much as it can.  So if there are no cards to exile, it will just move on to the next part, putting the creatures into play.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 9:41am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

@John,

I thought you lose as soon as you cannot draw anymore (not necessarily draw phase).

704.5b If a player attempted to draw a card from an empty library since the last time state-based actions were checked, he or she loses the game.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/24/10 at 12:38am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

That is right... that is why, Leveler + card draw = lose....
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 4:06pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

the entire rule is "if you cannot draw when a spell or ability forces you to, or at the beginning of your turn (draw step)  the game is conceded. if you cant draw when your made to, you lose the game. as for putting a land on the bottom, well that does not guarantee that the bottom card will be the THIRD card.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 4:27pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Junktroller with Zuran Orb.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 7:40pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

You can always count...
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 9:30pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Or you can not worry about the land for the 3rd card, run out of cards and put 1/1 tokens into play equal to the number of cards you exiled, doing 1 damage for each token with pandemonium, kill opponent -yeah i like that idea

once a sorcery starts resolving it needs to finish,  so it does as much as it can to resolve.  Take cruel ultimation, if you cast it and your opponent doesn't have a creature, its not like it stops, it just skips that part and moves to the discard.  Rally of the horde runs the same way, you exile until the exile stops by the 3rd land, if you don't find a land you exile until there is nothing to exile. if you can't exile anymore you move to the next part.

The 3rd card being a land is only a requirement to stop the exiling, it has nothing to do with putting the tokens into play.  basically this combo works is a differant take on the mana severence/goblin charbelcher combo.


[Edited by gericault5 on 25/Aug/10 at 9:31PM]
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 10:06pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09




1 Mana per card protection form decking yourself.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 10:15pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

oh.... yeah... love the rules...



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