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Combo Name: You Ask "Why?"; I Say "Why Not?" Submitted By: Gregorius
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Aphetto Runecaster
 Creature - Wizard 3U 2/3 Scourge, Uncommon

Illusionary Mask
 Poly Artifact 2 Beta, Rare

Aether Flash
 Enchantment 2RR Weatherlight, Uncommon

Blessed Orator
 Creature - Cleric 3W 1/4 Odyssey, Uncommon

Relentless Rats
 Creature - Rat 1BB 2/2 Fifth Dawn, Uncommon
Estimated Combo Cost: $133.66
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 11:01 pm

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

You must have on the field:
► Blessed Orator (or Leyline of Vitality)
► Aether Flash
► Aphetto Runecaster
► Illusionary Mask

When you pull out a Relentless Rats card, play it face down for free as a 2/3 creature (instead of 2/2 thanks to Blessed Orator / Leyline of Vitality). When it comes onto the field, it takes the damage from Aether Flash and gets turned face-up. When it gets turned face-up, you can draw a new card which is likely a new Relentless Rats card. When you pull out a Relentless Rats card, play it face down for free as a 2/3 creature (instead of 2/2 thanks to Blessed Orator / Leyline of Vitality). When it comes onto the field, it takes the damage from Aether Flash and gets turned face-up. When it gets turned face-up, you can draw a new card which is likely a new Relentless Rats card. When you pull out a Relentless Rats card...

...you see where I'm going with this? (For more fun, replace all of your "Relentless Rats" cards for "Cheatyface" cards. Be sure to record the look on your friends' faces!)

[Edited by Gregorius on 10/Aug/10 at 11:02PM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 11:28pm

Mentok
Posts: 202
Joined: 26-Jul-10

eh...


[Edited by Mentok on 10/Aug/10 at 11:35PM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 11:57pm

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

Yeah, I didn't see ANY counter-ruling against what I'm doing with Illusionary Mask.
It's not a "morph" effect - it's an effect that mimics "morph" and I can only turn a creature card up if it's dealt (or dealing) damage.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 1:32am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

good execpt for the fact you need to pay the cost of the rats to put it face down.  from gatherer, bolded the important part

If you use the ability to cast a creature card face down, you must keep track of the amount and types of mana you spent on {X}. If that creature spell is moved from the stack to anywhere other than the battlefield, the resulting creature leaves the battlefield, or the game ends, the face-down card is revealed. If its mana cost couldn't be paid by some amount of, or all of, the mana you spent on {X}, all applicable penalties for casting a card illegally are assessed.

if your using 0 as the cost of x, then you are not paying the mana cost so the card is illegal and would be removed. so for relentless rats X needs to be 3 or greater.

 

PS if your wondering how this rule for the card ties in with the orignal notice the "you still have to spend" part of the orignal.

 
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 2:24am

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

So in other words, unless I cough up three black mana per creature, I can't do this as I intended...?

God damn it, Wizards, you need to phrase your cards better. Enough of this "ambiguous wording" bullcrap.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 5:10am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Please bear in mind that Illusionary Mask is an extremely old card, from the first set of Magic. Back then they were still new to it (hell, MTG was the first CCG) and the templating/wording was pretty bad on a lot of cards.

Also note that the wording on this site is generally based on the wording of the printed card, and the database is not kept up to date with the modern wording.

For the proper wording, use Gatherer, especially on old cards. Here is the current entry for the mask:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=201199

(X): You may choose a creature card in your hand whose mana cost could be paid by some amount of, or all of, the mana you spent on (X). If you do, you may cast that card face down as a 2/2 creature spell without paying its mana cost. If the creature that spell becomes as it resolves has not been turned face up and would assign or deal damage, be dealt damage, or become tapped, instead it's turned face up and assigns or deals damage, is dealt damage, or becomes tapped. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 5:21am

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Don't blame Wizards, blame your lack of common sense. If there were an artifact for 2 that let you play every creature for 0 with no drawbacks, don't you think it would be a little more popular?

Anyhow, Zark is right, use the gatherer. Anytime I'm doing anything MTG related I've always got it open in another tab.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 8:15pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

yup, that's why aluren is know, Elvish piper is also there... Dragon arch is also part of the family...
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 5:32pm

Captain_Joe
Posts: 80
Joined: 20-Jul-10

shouldnt it read 'you ask "why?" i ask "why not?"'
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 7:10pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

yup but no need to be that strict on grammar...
Date Posted: Sat Aug/14/10 at 12:25am

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

shouldnt it read 'you ask "why?" i ask "why not?"'

Actually, no, because it's in response to a question, albeit with another rhetorical question.
I really, really don't think my grammar should be up for question here... (¬ 3¬)
Date Posted: Mon Aug/16/10 at 10:26pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

LOL.. that's what i'm saying...



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